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I have wondered if we couldn't engineer solutions to capture the methane. Locating the leaks should be straightforward with spectral satellite imaging

by dharma1 10y ago

dvh 10y ago
It's everywhere, dead leafs under the tree that used to be frozen now are being composted by bacteria producing methane, you would have to cover ground with plastic foil.
- phkahler 10y ago
  >> dead leafs under the tree that used to be frozen now are being composted by bacteria producing methane This is THE thing people overlook. There used to be trees there! There used to be lots of vegetation, that's why there's so much carbon trapped in the permafrost in the first place. We're not releasing something bad, we're returning the earth to a better equilibrium. Imagine if the Siberian tundra were replaced with forests and farms. Imagine if we avoid the next glaciation - which is coming if we do as the climate alarmists want, yet there is evidence that we can't prevent it even if we try.
  - mikeash 10y ago
    Imagine if the Siberian tundra were replaced with forests and farms, and current forests and farms were replaced with desert. You can't just look at the potential upside, assume it will be huge, and also assume there aren't any negative effects that might outweigh it. The argument that the Earth used to be warmer or cooler or whatever is completely nonsensical. We're not worried about Earth, we're worried about people, and more specifically civilization. The fact that the tundra used to be lush doesn't mean anything in that respect.
    - phkahler 10y ago
      Civilization could "just" relocate. As for desertification, see this TED talk: https://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savory_how_to_green_the_world_s_deserts_and_reverse_climate_change https://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savory_how_to_green_the_worl... And remember, the alternative is still glaciation.
      - mikeash 10y ago
        Yeah, and "just" relocating ain't exactly trivial or foolproof. The alternative is glaciation? If we have enough control over the climate to make it a bunch warmer, surely we have enough control (should we choose to exercise it) to keep it in the middle.
  - sitkack 10y ago
    Do you think we could use the blockchain to facilitate this?

I have wondered if we couldn't engineer solutions to capture the methane. Locating the leaks should be straightforward with spectral satellite imaging

by dharma1 10y ago

I have wondered if we couldn't engineer solutions to capture the methane. Locating the leaks should be straightforward with spectral satellite imaging

dvh 10y ago

It's everywhere, dead leafs under the tree that used to be frozen now are being composted by bacteria producing methane, you would have to cover ground with plastic foil.

phkahler 10y ago
>> dead leafs under the tree that used to be frozen now are being composted by bacteria producing methane This is THE thing people overlook. There used to be trees there! There used to be lots of vegetation, that's why there's so much carbon trapped in the permafrost in the first place. We're not releasing something bad, we're returning the earth to a better equilibrium. Imagine if the Siberian tundra were replaced with forests and farms. Imagine if we avoid the next glaciation - which is coming if we do as the climate alarmists want, yet there is evidence that we can't prevent it even if we try.
- mikeash 10y ago
  Imagine if the Siberian tundra were replaced with forests and farms, and current forests and farms were replaced with desert. You can't just look at the potential upside, assume it will be huge, and also assume there aren't any negative effects that might outweigh it. The argument that the Earth used to be warmer or cooler or whatever is completely nonsensical. We're not worried about Earth, we're worried about people, and more specifically civilization. The fact that the tundra used to be lush doesn't mean anything in that respect.
  - phkahler 10y ago
    Civilization could "just" relocate. As for desertification, see this TED talk: https://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savory_how_to_green_the_world_s_deserts_and_reverse_climate_change https://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savory_how_to_green_the_worl... And remember, the alternative is still glaciation.
    - mikeash 10y ago
      Yeah, and "just" relocating ain't exactly trivial or foolproof. The alternative is glaciation? If we have enough control over the climate to make it a bunch warmer, surely we have enough control (should we choose to exercise it) to keep it in the middle.
- sitkack 10y ago
  Do you think we could use the blockchain to facilitate this?