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Sanford Brown (or just Brown)? Same here... I loved it and it got me a great job. Is it prestigious? Nope. But it got the job done and I was done in 2 years.

donatj 10y ago
Yup. It was just "Brown" at the time. Brooklyn Center campus. I went for Application Development.
swalsh 10y ago
I went there for 2 semesters. I cancelled after one of the "professors" showed up hung over. The education was very low quality.
- Phlarp 10y ago
  FWIW: I went to a "real" university (University of Minnesota) and hung-over professors / TAs in large lecture classes or their related lab sessions wasn't a surprising occurrence-- at least in the general classes that everyone was required to take. I had a math professor freshman year that explicitly canceled a lecture due to him having a hangover. Honestly this seems like a relatively minor nit to pick, as there are far greater issues to be concerned with at all levels of higher education-- for profit or otherwise. None of my professors for technology related classes ever did this, but they also had about 6 months of legitimate industry experience between them so caveat emptor with anybody who wants you to take out a loan to pay for their "education". (Having said all of this, the slip of paper has still been worth more than it's weight in gold, for me.)
  - thaumasiotes 10y ago
    > (Having said all of this, the slip of paper has still been worth more than it's weight in gold, for me.) A few thousand dollars? Some things just don't weigh that much.
- jnbiche 10y ago
  > I cancelled after one of the "professors" showed up hung over. For the record, professors occasionally showing up hungover is by no means means confined to ITT. I went to a fairly good public university, and I had a few professors who came to an early-morning class obviously hungover once or twice (and 1 of them was a pretty good teacher). I'm quite sure the same thing sometimes happens at Ivy League schools as well.
  - beachstartup 10y ago
    it happens everywhere. at least they were honest. i went to a 'good' UC, literally one of the best schools in the entire world, like in the top 20 if you believe certain 'rankings'. some of my professors tried to schedule 6am exams (which is a fucking absurd time to be in class for a college kid) or just didn't show up, because they were doing consulting work on the side. one of them was obviously banging the female students for grades. like, really obvious, so obvious that my naive 19 year old self could tell what was going on. one time one of my professors showed up stoned and showed us pictures of sea turtles for 90 minutes. i couldn't even make that up if i tried. luckily, he was a good teacher and it had something tangentially to do with the class. yet another professor quit the department (or was he fired?) and started a test prep company ... for the tests he used to give. apparently they just use the same shit over and over, so hey, why not. all of that is relatively harmless compared to the wing-nut profs that are clearly pushing a political agenda in their coursework and grading, and have absolutely no qualms about punishing you academically for having dissenting opinions. i don't know, college is kind of a scam all around. there's a lot of fuckery afoot. it's adults doing adult things, it's not high school anymore. having been through it, i know to not to put too much faith into a 'good school' on the resume. i've heard some stories from my friends who went to ivy's and other elite private schools along these lines too. it's endemic. i think i never liked school because all of this horseshit goes on in industry, except you get paid to deal with it instead of paying to have the privilege of being shit on by professors.
- blakeyrat 10y ago
  I went to a real university and I had two professors who I'm sure never lectured sober. It's a bit less forgiveable at a for-profit where there's (I assume?) no tenure, and those professors are fire-able.
  - lowken10 10y ago
    I went to community college and did well enough to get into a real university( University of Florida). The biggest shock of my life was that in most cases my community college teachers were superior to the processors at Florida.
    - mywittyname 10y ago
      My experience is the same -- all but one of the best professors I had in university were from a community college. I had a chemistry professor that refused to go easy on us because, "I might have to work with some of you one day." As teaching was his night job.
  - lowken10 10y ago
    I went to community college and did well enough to get into a real university( University of Florida). The biggest shock of my life was that in most cases my community college teachers were superior to the processors at Florida.
- SteveNuts 10y ago
  Strange, never heard of that happening. My teachers were awesome
- mulletbum 10y ago
  I live with a person who works at a public university as a physics professor. He doesn't show up hung over, but he only puts in about an hour a work a week outside of class. What I am trying to say is there is crap talent in every industry.
- komali2 10y ago
  Sounds like a lot of hit and miss with these schools. With the rise of bootcamps as well, I wonder - is there any organization / website / agency compiling and auditing a list of these types of schools? It'd be great to be able to say "I want to become a pipeline designer" and knowing with Better Business Bureau level of confidence that I was choosing a good training program.
  - colechristensen 10y ago
    This is what accreditation is supposed to be for. http://ope.ed.gov/accreditation/ http://ope.ed.gov/accreditation/ It does need to be reformed a bit though for what you might call the 'low end' ... that is training programs finely tuned for specific skills.
    - jimbokun 10y ago
      Just clicked on the link. Seems to only do binary categorization of "accredited" and "not accredited". Would probably be more useful if they made available all of the data they collect as part of the accreditation process, to allow journalists, prospective students, etc. dig into the details.
      - dragonwriter 10y ago
        DOE doesn't collect the kind of data you are probably thinking of as part of the accreditation process, because DOE doesn't do that. Accreditors do that, and DOE has a set of accreditors whose accreditation it accepts. DOE does provide the data it collects, which is the name and effective dates of the accreditors for institutional, special, and internship/residency accreditations for each institution. (It also provides links to the accreditors in many cases, and those sometimes provide publicly more of the data that they collect during accreditation.)

donatj 10y ago

Yup. It was just "Brown" at the time. Brooklyn Center campus. I went for Application Development.

swalsh 10y ago

I went there for 2 semesters. I cancelled after one of the "professors" showed up hung over. The education was very low quality.

Phlarp 10y ago
FWIW: I went to a "real" university (University of Minnesota) and hung-over professors / TAs in large lecture classes or their related lab sessions wasn't a surprising occurrence-- at least in the general classes that everyone was required to take. I had a math professor freshman year that explicitly canceled a lecture due to him having a hangover. Honestly this seems like a relatively minor nit to pick, as there are far greater issues to be concerned with at all levels of higher education-- for profit or otherwise. None of my professors for technology related classes ever did this, but they also had about 6 months of legitimate industry experience between them so caveat emptor with anybody who wants you to take out a loan to pay for their "education". (Having said all of this, the slip of paper has still been worth more than it's weight in gold, for me.)
- thaumasiotes 10y ago
  > (Having said all of this, the slip of paper has still been worth more than it's weight in gold, for me.) A few thousand dollars? Some things just don't weigh that much.
jnbiche 10y ago
> I cancelled after one of the "professors" showed up hung over. For the record, professors occasionally showing up hungover is by no means means confined to ITT. I went to a fairly good public university, and I had a few professors who came to an early-morning class obviously hungover once or twice (and 1 of them was a pretty good teacher). I'm quite sure the same thing sometimes happens at Ivy League schools as well.
- beachstartup 10y ago
  it happens everywhere. at least they were honest. i went to a 'good' UC, literally one of the best schools in the entire world, like in the top 20 if you believe certain 'rankings'. some of my professors tried to schedule 6am exams (which is a fucking absurd time to be in class for a college kid) or just didn't show up, because they were doing consulting work on the side. one of them was obviously banging the female students for grades. like, really obvious, so obvious that my naive 19 year old self could tell what was going on. one time one of my professors showed up stoned and showed us pictures of sea turtles for 90 minutes. i couldn't even make that up if i tried. luckily, he was a good teacher and it had something tangentially to do with the class. yet another professor quit the department (or was he fired?) and started a test prep company ... for the tests he used to give. apparently they just use the same shit over and over, so hey, why not. all of that is relatively harmless compared to the wing-nut profs that are clearly pushing a political agenda in their coursework and grading, and have absolutely no qualms about punishing you academically for having dissenting opinions. i don't know, college is kind of a scam all around. there's a lot of fuckery afoot. it's adults doing adult things, it's not high school anymore. having been through it, i know to not to put too much faith into a 'good school' on the resume. i've heard some stories from my friends who went to ivy's and other elite private schools along these lines too. it's endemic. i think i never liked school because all of this horseshit goes on in industry, except you get paid to deal with it instead of paying to have the privilege of being shit on by professors.
blakeyrat 10y ago
I went to a real university and I had two professors who I'm sure never lectured sober. It's a bit less forgiveable at a for-profit where there's (I assume?) no tenure, and those professors are fire-able.
- lowken10 10y ago
  I went to community college and did well enough to get into a real university( University of Florida). The biggest shock of my life was that in most cases my community college teachers were superior to the processors at Florida.
  - mywittyname 10y ago
    My experience is the same -- all but one of the best professors I had in university were from a community college. I had a chemistry professor that refused to go easy on us because, "I might have to work with some of you one day." As teaching was his night job.
- lowken10 10y ago
  I went to community college and did well enough to get into a real university( University of Florida). The biggest shock of my life was that in most cases my community college teachers were superior to the processors at Florida.
SteveNuts 10y ago
Strange, never heard of that happening. My teachers were awesome
mulletbum 10y ago
I live with a person who works at a public university as a physics professor. He doesn't show up hung over, but he only puts in about an hour a work a week outside of class. What I am trying to say is there is crap talent in every industry.
komali2 10y ago
Sounds like a lot of hit and miss with these schools. With the rise of bootcamps as well, I wonder - is there any organization / website / agency compiling and auditing a list of these types of schools? It'd be great to be able to say "I want to become a pipeline designer" and knowing with Better Business Bureau level of confidence that I was choosing a good training program.
- colechristensen 10y ago
  This is what accreditation is supposed to be for. http://ope.ed.gov/accreditation/ http://ope.ed.gov/accreditation/ It does need to be reformed a bit though for what you might call the 'low end' ... that is training programs finely tuned for specific skills.
  - jimbokun 10y ago
    Just clicked on the link. Seems to only do binary categorization of "accredited" and "not accredited". Would probably be more useful if they made available all of the data they collect as part of the accreditation process, to allow journalists, prospective students, etc. dig into the details.
    - dragonwriter 10y ago
      DOE doesn't collect the kind of data you are probably thinking of as part of the accreditation process, because DOE doesn't do that. Accreditors do that, and DOE has a set of accreditors whose accreditation it accepts. DOE does provide the data it collects, which is the name and effective dates of the accreditors for institutional, special, and internship/residency accreditations for each institution. (It also provides links to the accreditors in many cases, and those sometimes provide publicly more of the data that they collect during accreditation.)