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Tony Fullman NSA Intercepts

60 points by sjreese 10y ago

aweisman 10y ago
At the top of every page is the following: "This information is provided for intelligence purposes in an effort to develop potential leads. It cannot be used in affidavits, court proceedings or subpoenas, or for other legal or judicial purposes". I understand that the NSA wants to hide their sources and methods, but it seems to me (as a non-lawyer), that this goes against the principles upon which courts are supposed to based. If they are going to charge someone with a crime (presumably the intended outcome of such an investigation, if it comes to anything), are they not supposed to provide all the evidence upon which those charges are based?
peterkelly 10y ago
Here's the article that the documents relate to, for context: https://theintercept.com/2016/08/14/nsa-gcsb-prism-surveillance-fullman-fiji/ https://theintercept.com/2016/08/14/nsa-gcsb-prism-surveilla...
- sitkack 10y ago
  It smells like the NZ government wanted to throw Fiji a bone and find a valid way to either extradite or jail some enemies of the Bainimarama regime. People in New Zealand should be very upset over this.
ChoHag 10y ago
I see a distinct lack of metadata.
- sitkack 10y ago
  What you see and what is recorded are totally different things. This is simply a PDF representation of the collected data.
audeyisaacs 10y ago
Is this a warning shot in the Shadow Brokers/DNC battle? Snowden previously insinuated that the NSA had interfered with US ally's elections... Very unpleasant stuff, it's disturbing to see how far it goes.
- dogma1138 10y ago
  Why do you need the NSA for that? The US has always interfered with elections and other political activities globally and it did so quite publicly. Quite recent examples are Obama stating pretty clear opinions about the Brexit and the US state department funding an NGO that its goal was to vote out Benjamin Netanyahu during the last Israeli elections as well as sending top advisers that worked on the Obama campaign to run it. http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/12/obama-admin-sent-taxpayer-money-oust-netanyahu/ http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/12/obama-admin-se...

60 points by sjreese 10y ago

At the top of every page is the following: "This information is provided for intelligence purposes in an effort to develop potential leads. It cannot be used in affidavits, court proceedings or subpoenas, or for other legal or judicial purposes". I understand that the NSA wants to hide their sources and methods, but it seems to me (as a non-lawyer), that this goes against the principles upon which courts are supposed to based. If they are going to charge someone with a crime (presumably the intended outcome of such an investigation, if it comes to anything), are they not supposed to provide all the evidence upon which those charges are based?

peterkelly 10y ago

Here's the article that the documents relate to, for context: https://theintercept.com/2016/08/14/nsa-gcsb-prism-surveillance-fullman-fiji/ https://theintercept.com/2016/08/14/nsa-gcsb-prism-surveilla...

sitkack 10y ago
It smells like the NZ government wanted to throw Fiji a bone and find a valid way to either extradite or jail some enemies of the Bainimarama regime. People in New Zealand should be very upset over this.

ChoHag 10y ago

I see a distinct lack of metadata.

sitkack 10y ago
What you see and what is recorded are totally different things. This is simply a PDF representation of the collected data.

audeyisaacs 10y ago

Is this a warning shot in the Shadow Brokers/DNC battle? Snowden previously insinuated that the NSA had interfered with US ally's elections... Very unpleasant stuff, it's disturbing to see how far it goes.

dogma1138 10y ago
Why do you need the NSA for that? The US has always interfered with elections and other political activities globally and it did so quite publicly. Quite recent examples are Obama stating pretty clear opinions about the Brexit and the US state department funding an NGO that its goal was to vote out Benjamin Netanyahu during the last Israeli elections as well as sending top advisers that worked on the Obama campaign to run it. http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/12/obama-admin-sent-taxpayer-money-oust-netanyahu/ http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/12/obama-admin-se...