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Nice. I am a little confuse on the different types of education you haven taken. What is a professional degree?

Jugurtha 10y ago
If I remember correctly, it's a sort of co-op degree in France where you spend part of your time in an educational facility, and some time in a company. The ones I've seen last about a year if I'm not mistaken. There's a bit of a naming confusion going on. First, the title Engineer. In France, many universities propose the title "Ingénieur" (Engineer), but not all have the seal of the Commission des Titres d'Ingénieur (CTI). If one wants to be an Engineer's Engineer, they must look up the University and see if the CTI sort of recognizes that degree as "Ingénieur", or a "true Scotsman".
- hk__2 10y ago
  > it's a sort of co-op degree in France where you spend part of your time in an educational facility, and some time in a company In France this is called “alternance”. I don’t know about OP but you can have a “Licence professionnelle” with or without “alternance”; it depends on your school/university.
  - Jugurtha 10y ago
    Without "alternance" as in full time in school or full time in company? I'd guess the latter since the name is "Licence professionnelle" and not spending time in a company would defeat the purpose.
    - di4na 10y ago
      Full time university. Full time in company getting you degrees is... quite hard in France The "Professionelle" part is more about the fact that after it you should not continue studying but go for a career.
      - Jugurtha 10y ago
        Oh, okay.. I see now. This category has its own ministry here, neither with "Ministère de l'Enseignement Supérieur et de la Recherche Scientifique", nor with "Ministère de l'Éducation". They have a "Ministère de la Formation et de l'Enseignement Professionnels". They get in with a different baccalauréat UFC (Université de la Formation Continue) which anyone can take even without necessarily being enrolled in high-school. Some of those who are enrolled in high-school hedge their bet and go for regular BAC and UFC BAC. They often fail the regular BAC but succeed at the other and enter UFC which has classes inside "real" universities after hours. Not dedicated classrooms, though. They came out of class one day and I said I've never seen them around (they didn't look the part) and they informed me who they were and talked about what they were learning, etc.
- yitchelle 10y ago
  Thanks for the information. My initial thought was that a professional degree is a somethng similar to being a chartered accountant, or be admitted to a bar (legal industry). In Australia, the Institute Engineers of Australia had a program of certifying engineers and they become a chartered engineer. Not sure if they are still running it. They approached me when I graduated many years ago. I don't remember the exact details but I seem to remember that they were catering for engineers doing civil engineering. ie to build bridges that won't fall down when a truck goes across it.
saalaa 10y ago
It's called Licence professionnelle in Ingénierie des Systèmes Embarqués in French. It's sort of a vocational education degree but delivered by a university and on a highly technical subject (supposedly, not meant as an offense). Edit: Licence is an intermediary level between bachelor and master/doctor.
- S4M 10y ago
  Isn't Licence just like a B.S? (3 years of University).
  - iXce 10y ago
    It is!
  - sporkenfang 10y ago
    In the US a bachelors is typically four and often five years, if taken in engineering or CS... Is this the European version you are referring to?
    - S4M 10y ago
      Yes, I was referring to the European version.
    - tbarbugli 10y ago
      you know Europe is a lot of different countries right?
  - saalaa 10y ago
    Apologies, I was mistakenly thinking a Licence Pro was prepared in 2 years but you are right and it's 3.

If I remember correctly, it's a sort of co-op degree in France where you spend part of your time in an educational facility, and some time in a company. The ones I've seen last about a year if I'm not mistaken. There's a bit of a naming confusion going on. First, the title Engineer. In France, many universities propose the title "Ingénieur" (Engineer), but not all have the seal of the Commission des Titres d'Ingénieur (CTI). If one wants to be an Engineer's Engineer, they must look up the University and see if the CTI sort of recognizes that degree as "Ingénieur", or a "true Scotsman".

hk__2 10y ago
> it's a sort of co-op degree in France where you spend part of your time in an educational facility, and some time in a company In France this is called “alternance”. I don’t know about OP but you can have a “Licence professionnelle” with or without “alternance”; it depends on your school/university.
- Jugurtha 10y ago
  Without "alternance" as in full time in school or full time in company? I'd guess the latter since the name is "Licence professionnelle" and not spending time in a company would defeat the purpose.
  - di4na 10y ago
    Full time university. Full time in company getting you degrees is... quite hard in France The "Professionelle" part is more about the fact that after it you should not continue studying but go for a career.
    - Jugurtha 10y ago
      Oh, okay.. I see now. This category has its own ministry here, neither with "Ministère de l'Enseignement Supérieur et de la Recherche Scientifique", nor with "Ministère de l'Éducation". They have a "Ministère de la Formation et de l'Enseignement Professionnels". They get in with a different baccalauréat UFC (Université de la Formation Continue) which anyone can take even without necessarily being enrolled in high-school. Some of those who are enrolled in high-school hedge their bet and go for regular BAC and UFC BAC. They often fail the regular BAC but succeed at the other and enter UFC which has classes inside "real" universities after hours. Not dedicated classrooms, though. They came out of class one day and I said I've never seen them around (they didn't look the part) and they informed me who they were and talked about what they were learning, etc.
yitchelle 10y ago
Thanks for the information. My initial thought was that a professional degree is a somethng similar to being a chartered accountant, or be admitted to a bar (legal industry). In Australia, the Institute Engineers of Australia had a program of certifying engineers and they become a chartered engineer. Not sure if they are still running it. They approached me when I graduated many years ago. I don't remember the exact details but I seem to remember that they were catering for engineers doing civil engineering. ie to build bridges that won't fall down when a truck goes across it.

saalaa 10y ago

It's called Licence professionnelle in Ingénierie des Systèmes Embarqués in French. It's sort of a vocational education degree but delivered by a university and on a highly technical subject (supposedly, not meant as an offense). Edit: Licence is an intermediary level between bachelor and master/doctor.

S4M 10y ago
Isn't Licence just like a B.S? (3 years of University).
- iXce 10y ago
  It is!
- sporkenfang 10y ago
  In the US a bachelors is typically four and often five years, if taken in engineering or CS... Is this the European version you are referring to?
  - S4M 10y ago
    Yes, I was referring to the European version.
  - tbarbugli 10y ago
    you know Europe is a lot of different countries right?
- saalaa 10y ago
  Apologies, I was mistakenly thinking a Licence Pro was prepared in 2 years but you are right and it's 3.