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They sure can fab it elsewhere, just not in mainland china is what he meant imho.

dogma1138 10y ago
But they aren't fabbing it in mainland China anyhow, these CPUs were fabbed in TSMC, the 28nm foundries in china aren't really capable of producing silicon as complex as this one. China will get there, it is a national priority for them and it is understandable they need to move from being the factory of the world to becoming an innovation and R&D center sure they are literally hacking their way there but they'll get there. China is aggressive and very intelligent with their goals and roadmaps in complete contrast to other emerging mega-nations like India, and sadly even in contrast to Europe which seem to have both the financial and the human capital to become a world leader however lacks the the will and the uniform vision to achieve that. Don't get me wrong Europe is doing some amazing things in research especially in the academic scene and programs like Horizon 2020 are pretty impressive but they are peanuts in the grand scheme of things, China on the other hand says in 10 years I want to be able to make X and they get there doesn't matter if X is canned goods or high end CPUs. China is the US in the 50's be the 1st in everything, do huge national projects to get there, invest in science, technology and education all for the national pride and glory. As much as I'm "scared" of China I really admire their moonshot spirit in the past decades if they won't implode before getting there I hope they'll end up being benevolent overlords.
- seanmcdirmid 10y ago
  China will have to get there on their own, however; no one is willing to share such fab technology with them, or sell them equipment like Germany does for much of their manufacture base. It will take a while with the current mindset of cheap/cut corners work, they are having the same problem with jet engines (more careful and precise, less cheap!). They can't really just throw money at the problems either...not when management takes huge cuts and then outsources to the traditional cheap/cut corner vendors. Or they could just invade Taiwan for its fabs.

But they aren't fabbing it in mainland China anyhow, these CPUs were fabbed in TSMC, the 28nm foundries in china aren't really capable of producing silicon as complex as this one. China will get there, it is a national priority for them and it is understandable they need to move from being the factory of the world to becoming an innovation and R&D center sure they are literally hacking their way there but they'll get there. China is aggressive and very intelligent with their goals and roadmaps in complete contrast to other emerging mega-nations like India, and sadly even in contrast to Europe which seem to have both the financial and the human capital to become a world leader however lacks the the will and the uniform vision to achieve that. Don't get me wrong Europe is doing some amazing things in research especially in the academic scene and programs like Horizon 2020 are pretty impressive but they are peanuts in the grand scheme of things, China on the other hand says in 10 years I want to be able to make X and they get there doesn't matter if X is canned goods or high end CPUs. China is the US in the 50's be the 1st in everything, do huge national projects to get there, invest in science, technology and education all for the national pride and glory. As much as I'm "scared" of China I really admire their moonshot spirit in the past decades if they won't implode before getting there I hope they'll end up being benevolent overlords.

seanmcdirmid 10y ago
China will have to get there on their own, however; no one is willing to share such fab technology with them, or sell them equipment like Germany does for much of their manufacture base. It will take a while with the current mindset of cheap/cut corners work, they are having the same problem with jet engines (more careful and precise, less cheap!). They can't really just throw money at the problems either...not when management takes huge cuts and then outsources to the traditional cheap/cut corner vendors. Or they could just invade Taiwan for its fabs.