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So what? The talk organizers were faced with a dilemma: either keep Crawford and lose a bunch of other speakers or lose Crawford but keep others I do think cl
by rtpg 10y ago
So what?
The talk organizers were faced with a dilemma: either keep Crawford and lose a bunch of other speakers or lose Crawford but keep others
I do think clarification is needed, but I could see "being a jerk " as a legit reason to not want to associate with someone. People do the same with people like Torvalds
Being unliked is also a reason that people won't want to associate with you.
- ktRolster 10y ago>Being unliked is also a reason that people won't want to associate with you. Not a good reason.
- CrLf 10y agoMaybe perhaps they should instead opt to lose these "others"? I'm unsure as to who the "jerks" really are in this situation.
- jrs235 10y agoThe whole thing feels like "reverse bullying" to me.
- gnarbarian 10y agoIt's just normal bullying.
- angry_octet 10y agoBeing a speaker at the same event is hardly being forced to associate with someone, nor indeed a reason to attempt to publicly repudiate them. Additionally, in my experience Linus Tovalds is not a jerk. Is this something you sense you get by reading email threads? Perhaps you associate a lack of politeness and deference with being a jerk, but it really isn't the same.
- thomasfoster96 10y ago> Perhaps you associate a lack of politeness and deference with being a jerk, but it really isn't the same. I would certainly associate those two attributes with being a jerk.
- angry_octet 10y agoIt's hard without specific examples, but brusque or somewhat impolite generally seem common. For example, someone asserts something technical in a strong way, lacking technical insight, or re-animating a zombie topic. The response is often short and somewhat acerbic. To be honest, replying in a sensitive way, with references to past converations, takes a long time. I would contrast this with jerk as being someone who deliberately disregards the comfort and feelings of others to satisfy themselves: the queue jumper, Steve Jobs, someone who humiliates people on minimum wage, who doesn't re-rack the weights at the gym, who parks in the disabled car park.
- ori_b 10y agoI don't. In fact, the opposite: I find overly deferential people difficult to work with. I'd prefer to work with someone that is going to call me an idiot when I do something dumb than someone who will keep their mouth shut and work around me -- Letting me do stupid things without correction is unpleasant. And having people waste time trying to make me feel better or whatever just annoys me. Besides, reading a good insult is just plain fun. Especially if I know the person. (And no, Linus tends not to flame people he doesn't know.)
- bryanrasmussen 10y agoI'm pretty sure lack of politeness is one of the defining traits of a jerk, yes. Which I'm quite aware of because as a lot of programmers I am something of a jerk.
- minusSeven 10y agoWhy can't we all just be a professional and move on ?
- thescribe 10y agoBecause we all adopted codes of conduct that assume we're easily agitated children, and then took them seriously.
- ufmace 10y agoSo tolerance and diversity are apparently only good things if they're applied to the Right People with the Right Opinions.
- gnarbarian 10y agoTolerance and Diversity when it tips the scale toward their agenda, Shaming, Boycotts, Twitter smear campaigns, and threats to employers when it doesn't.
- vor_ 10y agoIf tolerance and diversity are good things, a position that is intolerant or anti-diversity would be a bad thing.
- gcb0 10y agoi would lose the bunch that can't hold their side in a ideological argument about their work and instead resort to ad hominem
- tobltobs 10y agoI do not understand how banning people due to some unproved, anonym accusations will result in a more inclusive society. Actually it sounds like a surefire way to achieve the antipode.