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No, you simply cannot judge the "authenticity of a news source" by GFW blockage, because by that logic, you are entrusting GFW to be your meter of authenticity
by devy 10y ago
No, you simply cannot judge the "authenticity of a news source" by GFW blockage, because by that logic, you are entrusting GFW to be your meter of authenticity - which is absurd.
In fact, GFW has been a lot more sophisticated than a black list of sites, it applies ML / traffic pattern analysis capabilities which makes it even less relevant of "authenticity of a news source". Do a Google search of GFW analysis you will get a lot of details on that.
> odd because WSJ at least is heavily pro China
Why do you think so?
- seanmcdirmid 10y agoChinese gov blocks information it deems dangerous, like financial info via Bloomberg, this is useful information if you want to make wise rather than nationalistic investment decisions. So ya, what the GFW blocks is a useful guide in what you should read. WSJ is incredibly pro business and doesn't give much care about human rights. They take the capatalist pro business guys point of view in ignoring much of the bad about China to make money.
- devy 10y agoAgain, this goes back to the "fabrication, propaganda, lies, half truths and spin - much the same as our own political system." that I commented originally. You have almost 12k karma on HN so you are one of the experienced HN readers. I feel strongly that your tinted negatively biased China view has contributed greatly in HN community. Being living in both China and U.S., one thing I can tell you for sure is that U.S. (being the leader in the free world) is NOT on a moral high ground to criticize other countries given the recent events of racism and bigotry. My advise for you is that you should go out there, travel the world, living in a different country for many years and look back on your worldviews.
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- dmoy 10y agoI vaguely recognize the name sean, and I think he's actually in (or was in) China for an extended period of time.
- seanmcdirmid 10y agoI left two weeks ago, before that I was in Beijing for almost 9 years.
- tigershark 10y agoWhere did you live in China, how was your parents social status and how old you were when you went to US? I ask because from your comments it seems that you are seeing China through embellishing glasses that you usually wear when you are too young or "protected" to savour fully the harshness of the real world. I don't think that China propaganda is in any way comparable to the one from foreign western countries. At least most of these countries don't kill information freedom with a great China wall...
- seanmcdirmid 10y agoI lived in in Beijing for 9 years, just moved this month to LA to start a new job... My tint of China is shared by other long term laowai, and many locals as well. The people most optimistic about China are Chinese that have already left...voted with their feet one way but vote with their mouth in an exact opposite way. This contradiction is pervasive in the Chinese government as well (Xi will send his daughter to Havard while decrying the unsuitability of western education). I guess many Chinese see no hypocracy in this kind of thing, but it drives us crazy. Who cares about the US, they don't even bother fighting for the moral high ground. China feels like they really need the high ground badly and are also entitled to it (we are strong, but we are also always victims, Vietnam stop making us do bad things!). This just makes the rest of the world very annoyed. I suggest that you travel the world, go back to China and see it for what it really is. You should also try living in different countries, like Europe. Your worldviews will broaden substantially.
- devy 10y ago> WSJ is incredibly pro business and doesn't give much care about human rights. This doesn't mean that it's pro China. In fact, that proves my point of WSJ being neutral.