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Hire a designer to make Lumina less ugly. Sorry I know that sounds harsh, but it looks very 2005. Make this install on modern laptops. I'm tired of being recom

Hire a designer to make Lumina less ugly. Sorry I know that sounds harsh, but it looks very 2005. Make this install on modern laptops. I'm tired of being recommended five year-old Thinkpads. Fix those and I would consider overwriting my Ubuntu installation

DashRattlesnake 10y ago
> it looks very 2005 I have literally no knowledge or opinion about Limina, but kinda with desktop UIs would attempt to be timeless rather than trying to follow the latest style fads.
- GFK_of_xmaspast 10y ago
  > timeless What does that even mean in this context.
  - sedachv 10y ago
    IMO the Xerox Star UI and NeXTSTEP/GNUstep: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn4vC80Pv6Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn4vC80Pv6Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXHFfc3btCI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXHFfc3btCI
    - karma_vaccum123 10y ago
      You can run a variant of GNUStep today, yet no one does.
      - sedachv 10y ago
        Before switching to Lubuntu a few years ago, Window Maker was all I ran. LXDE is unobtrusive enough that I don't mind it.
    - IncRnd 10y ago
      As a registered NS developer, I had a NS Turbo Color. What about NS do you find superior to OS X?
      - protomyth 10y ago
        Not OP but also a NS developer (custom built Pentium), and I must say like the menu system, digital librarian, workspace manager, and eof much better. A separate interface builder was much better, but that's more a developer tool thing. [edit: left side scroll bar also]
        IncRnd 10y ago
        For sure I liked the separate IB/PB. Good call! It was faster to develop in NS than in anything else for me. At the time, I loved the digital librarian and menu system. After leaving and going back a few years later the WS seemed a little too dated for me. I use the context menus in BlackBox on my linux box. OS X seems to be my comfort zone now, which tends to color memory. Though I also found the IB/PB split much faster to work with. That's for sure. You've got me fired up. I'm installing 4.2 ent in virtualbox now, which will be the newest version I've used :) Thank you!
        protomyth 10y ago
        I still have my 3.3 discs and the 4.x discs with the wall of documentation. I'm tempted to install it again, if for nothing else to get at some very old e-mail I sent. I think some of the "dated" is that it wasn't very high resolution, or put another way, it really didn't get to evolve into the high resolution / anti-aliased world we live in today. I've seen multiple attempts at redoing the icons in a modern setting and many of them look great. I particularly like the old folders. The menus suffer from the same problem, but more from a modern font choice scenario. For me, OS X stripped a lot of the NeXT goodness to appease Mac lovers. I'm just not a fan of a UI designed for a 9" screen that really should have a better menu system. Recently, I've seen some 3rd party software that simulates part of the old NeXTSTEP menu system. Sadly, it doesn't seem to do the tear-offs. I guess OS X is loads better than Windows, but it sure isn't my favorite. My two big "not working" projects are an agent oriented programing language and some form of modernized NeXTSTEP UI on OpenBSD. Sadly, more likely to do the former rather than the later.
    - cwyers 10y ago
      That's not timeless, that's very very timed.
  - ashitlerferad 10y ago
    Motif and CDE!
  - DashRattlesnake 10y ago
    > What does that even mean in this context. IMHO: come up with a set of initial will-thought-out UI design choices that follow an internal logic, then evolve thoughtfully (and conservatively) in a way that respects those choices. That has the added bonus of not constantly invalidating people's investment in learning the desktop environment. I would expect a environment that follows that would "look" similar in 2005 and 2015, and that wouldn't be a bad thing.
- walrus01 10y ago
  > it looks very 2005 I want things to look very 2005 (or even 2001), which is why I use XFCE4 as a desktop environment on xorg / debian, and not a modern "fancy" thing like the latest gnome or KDE.
  - gnarbarian 10y ago
    Cheers! I liked gnome 2, I can't stand unity, gnome 3 or the latest KDE. LXDE was too minimalist. XFCE was just right.
    - fnj 10y ago
      I liked GNOME2 also, and I found MATE to be the perfect recreation of it.
    - wruza 10y ago
      Xfce was just perfect. Sadly, xfce 4.6 unintroduced manual context-menu in favor of autogenerated one (from cryptic sources). It also introduced many good, but menu changes broke my workflow. I was so disappointed that I left entire Linux/FreeBSD after years of using it. Now I have mac, and it is just great for years.
- rtpg 10y ago
  I guess the question is whether this thing that follows 2005's style is timeless... I suppose from the reaction of people that it doesn't? Though the only interface that I can qualify as timeless is maybe the PS2/3/4 interface XMB (10+ years and still basically the same).
stock_toaster 10y ago
I think as far as desktops environments go, I imagine the first goal is to make it functional, and only then make it pretty. Hopefully now after recently hitting 1.0, someone spends some time making it a bit nicer looking (nicer being relative of course -- I tend to like simpler desktop designs).
cm3 10y ago
> Hire a designer to make Lumina less ugly. Sorry I know that sounds harsh, but it looks very 2005. I'm not trying to sound harsh and just have to respectfully disagree. I don't use Lumina because I don't use DEs, but the looks of it are just right. It's not a regression like most "styles" these days where it's impossible to know half the time what's an interactive widget, or why suddenly the designers think large empty white spaces and large widgets and titlebars are a feature. If I'm at a desktop, I need a desktop environment, not a tablet experience.
- Gracana 10y ago
  I don't want it to look like modern stuff, but it could use some tweaking and usability consistency improvements here and there. It's the whole 'papercuts' thing, nothing terrible, just a bunch of small issues (font sizes, click target issues, etc.)
  - cm3 10y ago
    Polish is probably what you're missing then.
    - buu700 10y ago
      My first language is English, and from the screenshots in the TrueOS handbook I'd also agree that it looks a little dated (although not particularly more so than most other open source desktop environments).
      - asveikau 10y ago
        >> Polish is probably what you're missing then. > My first language is English, Did you just mix up polish, as in "polished ui", with Polish, the language of Poland?
        buu700 10y ago
        Yes.
drewg123 10y ago
The linux drm compat shims should go a long way toward modern laptop support.
loeg 10y ago
> Make this install on modern laptops. I'm tired of being recommended five year-old Thinkpads. This branch does carry the (work-in-progress) i915 driver updates that bring support for modern Intel graphics (Haswell, Broadwell, Skylake).

DashRattlesnake 10y ago

> it looks very 2005 I have literally no knowledge or opinion about Limina, but kinda with desktop UIs would attempt to be timeless rather than trying to follow the latest style fads.

GFK_of_xmaspast 10y ago
> timeless What does that even mean in this context.
- sedachv 10y ago
  IMO the Xerox Star UI and NeXTSTEP/GNUstep: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn4vC80Pv6Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn4vC80Pv6Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXHFfc3btCI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXHFfc3btCI
  - karma_vaccum123 10y ago
    You can run a variant of GNUStep today, yet no one does.
    - sedachv 10y ago
      Before switching to Lubuntu a few years ago, Window Maker was all I ran. LXDE is unobtrusive enough that I don't mind it.
  - IncRnd 10y ago
    As a registered NS developer, I had a NS Turbo Color. What about NS do you find superior to OS X?
    - protomyth 10y ago
      Not OP but also a NS developer (custom built Pentium), and I must say like the menu system, digital librarian, workspace manager, and eof much better. A separate interface builder was much better, but that's more a developer tool thing. [edit: left side scroll bar also]
      - IncRnd 10y ago
        For sure I liked the separate IB/PB. Good call! It was faster to develop in NS than in anything else for me. At the time, I loved the digital librarian and menu system. After leaving and going back a few years later the WS seemed a little too dated for me. I use the context menus in BlackBox on my linux box. OS X seems to be my comfort zone now, which tends to color memory. Though I also found the IB/PB split much faster to work with. That's for sure. You've got me fired up. I'm installing 4.2 ent in virtualbox now, which will be the newest version I've used :) Thank you!
        protomyth 10y ago
        I still have my 3.3 discs and the 4.x discs with the wall of documentation. I'm tempted to install it again, if for nothing else to get at some very old e-mail I sent. I think some of the "dated" is that it wasn't very high resolution, or put another way, it really didn't get to evolve into the high resolution / anti-aliased world we live in today. I've seen multiple attempts at redoing the icons in a modern setting and many of them look great. I particularly like the old folders. The menus suffer from the same problem, but more from a modern font choice scenario. For me, OS X stripped a lot of the NeXT goodness to appease Mac lovers. I'm just not a fan of a UI designed for a 9" screen that really should have a better menu system. Recently, I've seen some 3rd party software that simulates part of the old NeXTSTEP menu system. Sadly, it doesn't seem to do the tear-offs. I guess OS X is loads better than Windows, but it sure isn't my favorite. My two big "not working" projects are an agent oriented programing language and some form of modernized NeXTSTEP UI on OpenBSD. Sadly, more likely to do the former rather than the later.
  - cwyers 10y ago
    That's not timeless, that's very very timed.
- ashitlerferad 10y ago
  Motif and CDE!
- DashRattlesnake 10y ago
  > What does that even mean in this context. IMHO: come up with a set of initial will-thought-out UI design choices that follow an internal logic, then evolve thoughtfully (and conservatively) in a way that respects those choices. That has the added bonus of not constantly invalidating people's investment in learning the desktop environment. I would expect a environment that follows that would "look" similar in 2005 and 2015, and that wouldn't be a bad thing.
walrus01 10y ago
> it looks very 2005 I want things to look very 2005 (or even 2001), which is why I use XFCE4 as a desktop environment on xorg / debian, and not a modern "fancy" thing like the latest gnome or KDE.
- gnarbarian 10y ago
  Cheers! I liked gnome 2, I can't stand unity, gnome 3 or the latest KDE. LXDE was too minimalist. XFCE was just right.
  - fnj 10y ago
    I liked GNOME2 also, and I found MATE to be the perfect recreation of it.
  - wruza 10y ago
    Xfce was just perfect. Sadly, xfce 4.6 unintroduced manual context-menu in favor of autogenerated one (from cryptic sources). It also introduced many good, but menu changes broke my workflow. I was so disappointed that I left entire Linux/FreeBSD after years of using it. Now I have mac, and it is just great for years.
rtpg 10y ago
I guess the question is whether this thing that follows 2005's style is timeless... I suppose from the reaction of people that it doesn't? Though the only interface that I can qualify as timeless is maybe the PS2/3/4 interface XMB (10+ years and still basically the same).

stock_toaster 10y ago

I think as far as desktops environments go, I imagine the first goal is to make it functional, and only then make it pretty. Hopefully now after recently hitting 1.0, someone spends some time making it a bit nicer looking (nicer being relative of course -- I tend to like simpler desktop designs).

cm3 10y ago

> Hire a designer to make Lumina less ugly. Sorry I know that sounds harsh, but it looks very 2005. I'm not trying to sound harsh and just have to respectfully disagree. I don't use Lumina because I don't use DEs, but the looks of it are just right. It's not a regression like most "styles" these days where it's impossible to know half the time what's an interactive widget, or why suddenly the designers think large empty white spaces and large widgets and titlebars are a feature. If I'm at a desktop, I need a desktop environment, not a tablet experience.

Gracana 10y ago
I don't want it to look like modern stuff, but it could use some tweaking and usability consistency improvements here and there. It's the whole 'papercuts' thing, nothing terrible, just a bunch of small issues (font sizes, click target issues, etc.)
- cm3 10y ago
  Polish is probably what you're missing then.
  - buu700 10y ago
    My first language is English, and from the screenshots in the TrueOS handbook I'd also agree that it looks a little dated (although not particularly more so than most other open source desktop environments).
    - asveikau 10y ago
      >> Polish is probably what you're missing then. > My first language is English, Did you just mix up polish, as in "polished ui", with Polish, the language of Poland?
      - buu700 10y ago
        Yes.

drewg123 10y ago

The linux drm compat shims should go a long way toward modern laptop support.

loeg 10y ago

> Make this install on modern laptops. I'm tired of being recommended five year-old Thinkpads. This branch does carry the (work-in-progress) i915 driver updates that bring support for modern Intel graphics (Haswell, Broadwell, Skylake).