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Apple Event on September 7th

44 points by anirudh24seven 10y ago

hartator 10y ago
Doesn't seem so, but I still really hope they will update their MacBook Pro line. We desperately need an update.
- lsllc 10y ago
  Agreed!!!!
- cloudjacker 10y ago
  Why? What advances in computation over the last two years would really benefit the Macbook Pro line? SSDs are the same size 16GB RAM is still a luxury Not many Apple applications perform better with more RAM or faster CPUs, looking at Xcode Some Adobe products can be marginally sped up with more RAM, if you like compositing CPUs aren't much better, skylake wasn't so phenomenal after all GPUs on the mobile variant haven't gotten much better, and integrated graphics are still good enough. What is your perspective? Especially on the 'desperate' part
  - mhurron 10y ago
    > What is your perspective? Especially on the 'desperate' part MUST HAVE THE NEW SHINY. A Macbook Pro refresh probably wouldn't bring noticeable performance improvements to anyone, but they'd feel better because the CPU was the model released this year even though it performs exactly the same as the one currently used.
    - freshyill 10y ago
      That would make sense if everyone had the current model. Most people who want to upgrade have something older.
      - mhurron 10y ago
        But that there is basically going to be no real performance difference between the current and whatever the refresh will be, getting the current is basically the same thing.
        freshyill 10y ago
        Performance is just one thing people look at. Power usage, display quality, keyboard, trackpad, etc. are all other possibilities.
  - tekklloneer 10y ago
    New Intel CPUs with "free" battery improvements. Touch ID Thinner bezel (like the XPS13) where you get more scree nreal estate for less overall size). Skylake has low end 4 core parts which make a huge benefit for people deving with on-machine vm environment.
    - ianai 10y ago
      I would love an xps13/15 style bezel on my next Mac.
      - tekklloneer 10y ago
        my personal machine is an xps13, at this point if i had the option to use linux at work (for my dev env) i would have two xps13s maybe the new macbooks will sway me.
  - komali2 10y ago
    They look the same and that's boring. ...I'm only slightly kidding.
  - hartator 10y ago
    Check out the last Yoga X1 with an OLED screen. It's almost making me want to switch back to a PC. 16Gb of ram, SSD, Skylake and an OLED touchscreen. Plus, with native Ubuntu integration, it should be very easy to do development work under Windows 10.
  - toyg 10y ago
    > 16 GB is still a luxury Nope nope nope. "Pro"s today use virtual machines. 32GB must be an option. If we've learnt anything from the "640k should be enough for everybody" times, is that work inevitably expands to use all available memory.
    - cloudjacker 10y ago
      I asked for perspectives, I didn't make a proclamation that it was enough A couple people have said more VMs, ok great, that is a valid perspective It is interesting to see that this is on the path to confirming that there is no improvement in processing on the host OS at all then for even the edgiest of edge case developer users.
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  - lambda 10y ago
    Right now, I have a MBP retina with 512 GB of SSD, 16 GB of RAM. I could upgrade to one with the ability to drive a 4K monitor and 1TB SSD, but that's pretty much the only noticeable improvement. Sure, the CPU and GPU will probably be somewhat more powerful, but RAM and SSD space are actually my limiting factor most of the time right now. In my development, I need to run a lot of VMs, so RAM and SSD capacity are things I really need as much of as possible. So, offering something with 32 GB of RAM, and probably a larger SSD, would make it more worthwhile for me to upgrade.
  - throwaway420 10y ago
    I think most people will have an intense emotional reaction to this point and suspect that you're either trolling or delusional. I don't think you are, but I think you're presenting a weak argument (that contains a few valid observations) in a poor way. Maybe current SSDs are a little faster and maybe current CPUs are a bit better, but logically speaking, you're technically right that there's an argument to be made that most people won't notice a significant difference (if any at all) in performance today with an update if they already have a reasonably new machine. The counterpoint to that logical point is that this won't necessarily be the case a year or three from now. Requirements eventually go up, things such as VR emerge that require a big performance increase. New OS-level technologies are released that take better advantage of things like more RAM, CPU cores, graphics cards, etc. But really, you're ignoring the human and emotional aspect to this. People feel like crap when they buy something and the new model is released a couple weeks later. When people are paying that much money for a machine, they're expecting to get the latest and greatest that will last them as long as possible. I don't think it's hard to understand.
  - mwpmaybe 10y ago
    It's dependent on what you are hypothetically upgrading from. I'll be upgrading from a 2012 MacBook Pro w/ Retina, so I'm looking for: * Thunderbolt 3 (from 1) * USB 3.1 (from 3.0) * NVMe (from SATA) * LPDDR4 (from DDR3) * An integrated GPU with sufficient power so as to eliminate the need for a dedicated GPU for my typical usage (from a 650M) * More battery life / power efficiency The specs for the MBPs that came out in late-2012 through mid-2015 weren't significant enough to justify an upgrade. It's not that I'm "desperate," and I can't speak for the GP, but this machine is starting to show its age (battery life, fan noise, etc.) and I really don't want to drop $2-3K for a new unit with mid-2015 specs.
- GoldfishCRM 10y ago
  468 days since last MacBook Pro update and 539 days since last MacBook Air update. Way to long...
- makmanalp 10y ago
  This page seems to have the most updated info I've found anywhere, I just check it every so often. http://www.macrumors.com/roundup/macbook-pro/ http://www.macrumors.com/roundup/macbook-pro/
- no1youknowz 10y ago
  I have a 2012 Macbook Pro. It does everything I need it to do and it's my primary machine. Whilst I don't need another one. I would love to see a refresh with a better graphics card. Something like a Nvidia Geforce GTX 1080M. Purely for VR and then hoping to see Oculus development with it. I'm probably wishing at this point as well. Sure a better CPU, more RAM, bigger SSD would be nice. But right now, neither of them can really justify a replacement. Everything works just fine with what I have now!
  - collias 10y ago
    I'm in the exact same boat. The GeForce 650M is really the only component showing any signs of aging. Everything else is still running great. I used to be an Apple skeptic, but the fact that my almost-5-year-old laptop still feels completely adequate for everything I need to do (iOS dev) makes it a lot easier to justify dropping nearly $2k on it.
  - drinchev 10y ago
    Mine is 2011 i7 2.8Ghz. I upgraded it with 16 Gigs RAM & Samsung SSD. It's simply amazing. I'm really sad that those new models are not-upgradable. I was looking for a new laptop ( because my battery is giving up ) and I'm disappointed that Apple is soldering the RAM. I hope if there are new MacBook Pro's they will also upgrade friendly.
    - toyg 10y ago
      Regarding RAM, with laptops, you're often restricted by what the chipset will actually support, and that's the case for MBPs (still 16 GB as far as I know). Soldering or no soldering, that's the real problem. The actual bitch is soldered battery. Mine (2012 MBPr) is still giving me two to three hours, depending on workload (and sticking to Safari for browsing, which makes a massive difference in power consumption), but a replacement would make me more comfortable. I can't imagine what Apple would make me pay for that. A secondary annoyance is the proprietary SSD interface, which dramatically restricts the choice of hd vendors (for my model, I think the total number of vendors is still 1; I believe a couple of other vendors do support more recent models). I currently live in fear of this disk giving up the ghost before Apple will actually release a new MBP worth buying.
- benologist 10y ago
  I don't think the future looks very good for MBPs - Apple openly considers their iPad Pro to be the future of personal computers so those people are going to be their next generation of 'power user'... Desktop and laptop sales are down and performance improvements have ground to a halt and Intel have hit a manufacturing ceiling. It feels like x86 is in the last phase of being massively useful - VR needs big GPUs but those are being decoupled from x86, phones/tablets are overwhelmingly ARM, IOT is overwhelmingly ARM.
  - tathastu 10y ago
    Still can't develop apps for iPad Pro on an iPad Pro.
    - benologist 10y ago
      Maybe this event will announce such a thing - programming is on their mind too: http://www.apple.com/swift/playgrounds/ http://www.apple.com/swift/playgrounds/
CPLX 10y ago
It's not reasonable for me to think they'll suddenly out of nowhere announce an amazing refresh of the Mac Pro models for the first time since 2013 is it? Because that would be awesome.
- PedroBatista 10y ago
  Judging by how often they upgraded the line-up in the last gen.... ... ... ...
- throwanem 10y ago
  Who knows? I don't think there's been any more reason to imagine such a thing will happen than at any point in the last three years, but if it is going to happen, this event would be when we first hear of it. So I wouldn't get my hopes up, but I wouldn't give up on the possibility entirely, I suppose is what I'm saying here.
  - ianai 10y ago
    Actually I think it was about 3-4 years between the previous Mac Pro and current lines. That said those machines need a good modernization to things like NVME and new video cards.
vladd 10y ago
The press expects them to announce iPhone 7: http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/29/12429510/apple-iphone-7-event-date-announced http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/29/12429510/apple-iphone-7-ev...
ninedays 10y ago
Seeing the invitation title, I'd be surprised if the new iPhone is not named iPhone 7.
- freshyill 10y ago
  Also, it's next in their very predictable naming scheme. People focus way too much on what it's called. I'd be very surprised if they don't eventually get away from the 5, 5s, 6, 6s, etc. scheme. Most of their other products have gotten away from it, including the iPad. They've already started with the iPhone SE.
  - JustSomeNobody 10y ago
    They'll probably call this one the iPhone 7 because it's rumored to keep with similar styling, but with the (rumored) complete refresh next year, they'll probably just call it the iPhone.
  - throwanem 10y ago
    To be fair, the SE is widely regarded as an "out-of-band" update - a hardware rev of the iPhone 5S. I'm not sure how likely it is that its name is predictive of a new naming scheme.
Analemma_ 10y ago
Hold your headphone jack's hand and tell it you love it, because this is the day it goes on life support.
- PerryCox 10y ago
  And the day that is announced is the day I switch to Android. I'm fine with the idea of improving upon the 3.5mm headphone jack, but until we have a standard that all other phone companies use, I'm not changing.
  - JustSomeNobody 10y ago
    This is key. We don't need anything proprietary. In fact, we need just the opposite.
  - mkhalil 10y ago
    Well, Android might be moving headphones to USB-C eventually as well, so if that's the decision, how would you feel?
    - sofaofthedamned 10y ago
      If Google and Apple both came out and said 'this is the future of audio' and showed a USB3 connection to some nice Grado or Sennheisers, i'd be all ears. Instead I suspect Apple as usual will say 'these are your new headphones' with a crappy pair of earbuds that cost eleventy gillion pounds, and we'll all retreat back to not giving a toss. Apple are ace sometimes - I love my Macbook Pro, but smartphones are at a point where my girlfriend (an Apple fan) is considering moving to Android after seeing my Nexus 6p. Apple don't have the weight in the industry they used to have. Basically - 1. Headphones need to be USB3, with 2 ports available. 2. Standard protocol, with all the bit and sample rates. 3. DRM is fine, but it's optional 4. Spec is open, but well defined so manufacturers, even cheap ones, can join in.
  - ryanSrich 10y ago
    Someone has to make the leap though right? It's not like all the biggest tech companies in the world are going to get together in a room and agree on something. One must force the others hand.
NovaS1X 10y ago
I'll be keeping tabs on this event just to keep alive the small glimmer of hope that they'll release the new MBP.
dhritzkiv 10y ago
Do the bokeh somehow suggest improved camera depth of field via the rumoured secondary sensor?
ohitsdom 10y ago
"See you on the 7th" They've hinted at announcements in titles and themeing before. Am I reading too much into it to hope for something AR/VR related? Obviously the event will include new iPhones, but I'm curious to see if they enter the augmented world.
Corrado 10y ago
I'm really hoping they will announce a 27" Retina Apple Cinema Display. The old 27" one was EOL earlier this summer and I'm having a tough time finding a suitable replacement.

Doesn't seem so, but I still really hope they will update their MacBook Pro line. We desperately need an update.

lsllc 10y ago
Agreed!!!!
cloudjacker 10y ago
Why? What advances in computation over the last two years would really benefit the Macbook Pro line? SSDs are the same size 16GB RAM is still a luxury Not many Apple applications perform better with more RAM or faster CPUs, looking at Xcode Some Adobe products can be marginally sped up with more RAM, if you like compositing CPUs aren't much better, skylake wasn't so phenomenal after all GPUs on the mobile variant haven't gotten much better, and integrated graphics are still good enough. What is your perspective? Especially on the 'desperate' part
- mhurron 10y ago
  > What is your perspective? Especially on the 'desperate' part MUST HAVE THE NEW SHINY. A Macbook Pro refresh probably wouldn't bring noticeable performance improvements to anyone, but they'd feel better because the CPU was the model released this year even though it performs exactly the same as the one currently used.
  - freshyill 10y ago
    That would make sense if everyone had the current model. Most people who want to upgrade have something older.
    - mhurron 10y ago
      But that there is basically going to be no real performance difference between the current and whatever the refresh will be, getting the current is basically the same thing.
      - freshyill 10y ago
        Performance is just one thing people look at. Power usage, display quality, keyboard, trackpad, etc. are all other possibilities.
- tekklloneer 10y ago
  New Intel CPUs with "free" battery improvements. Touch ID Thinner bezel (like the XPS13) where you get more scree nreal estate for less overall size). Skylake has low end 4 core parts which make a huge benefit for people deving with on-machine vm environment.
  - ianai 10y ago
    I would love an xps13/15 style bezel on my next Mac.
    - tekklloneer 10y ago
      my personal machine is an xps13, at this point if i had the option to use linux at work (for my dev env) i would have two xps13s maybe the new macbooks will sway me.
- komali2 10y ago
  They look the same and that's boring. ...I'm only slightly kidding.
- hartator 10y ago
  Check out the last Yoga X1 with an OLED screen. It's almost making me want to switch back to a PC. 16Gb of ram, SSD, Skylake and an OLED touchscreen. Plus, with native Ubuntu integration, it should be very easy to do development work under Windows 10.
- toyg 10y ago
  > 16 GB is still a luxury Nope nope nope. "Pro"s today use virtual machines. 32GB must be an option. If we've learnt anything from the "640k should be enough for everybody" times, is that work inevitably expands to use all available memory.
  - cloudjacker 10y ago
    I asked for perspectives, I didn't make a proclamation that it was enough A couple people have said more VMs, ok great, that is a valid perspective It is interesting to see that this is on the path to confirming that there is no improvement in processing on the host OS at all then for even the edgiest of edge case developer users.
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- lambda 10y ago
  Right now, I have a MBP retina with 512 GB of SSD, 16 GB of RAM. I could upgrade to one with the ability to drive a 4K monitor and 1TB SSD, but that's pretty much the only noticeable improvement. Sure, the CPU and GPU will probably be somewhat more powerful, but RAM and SSD space are actually my limiting factor most of the time right now. In my development, I need to run a lot of VMs, so RAM and SSD capacity are things I really need as much of as possible. So, offering something with 32 GB of RAM, and probably a larger SSD, would make it more worthwhile for me to upgrade.
- throwaway420 10y ago
  I think most people will have an intense emotional reaction to this point and suspect that you're either trolling or delusional. I don't think you are, but I think you're presenting a weak argument (that contains a few valid observations) in a poor way. Maybe current SSDs are a little faster and maybe current CPUs are a bit better, but logically speaking, you're technically right that there's an argument to be made that most people won't notice a significant difference (if any at all) in performance today with an update if they already have a reasonably new machine. The counterpoint to that logical point is that this won't necessarily be the case a year or three from now. Requirements eventually go up, things such as VR emerge that require a big performance increase. New OS-level technologies are released that take better advantage of things like more RAM, CPU cores, graphics cards, etc. But really, you're ignoring the human and emotional aspect to this. People feel like crap when they buy something and the new model is released a couple weeks later. When people are paying that much money for a machine, they're expecting to get the latest and greatest that will last them as long as possible. I don't think it's hard to understand.
- mwpmaybe 10y ago
  It's dependent on what you are hypothetically upgrading from. I'll be upgrading from a 2012 MacBook Pro w/ Retina, so I'm looking for: * Thunderbolt 3 (from 1) * USB 3.1 (from 3.0) * NVMe (from SATA) * LPDDR4 (from DDR3) * An integrated GPU with sufficient power so as to eliminate the need for a dedicated GPU for my typical usage (from a 650M) * More battery life / power efficiency The specs for the MBPs that came out in late-2012 through mid-2015 weren't significant enough to justify an upgrade. It's not that I'm "desperate," and I can't speak for the GP, but this machine is starting to show its age (battery life, fan noise, etc.) and I really don't want to drop $2-3K for a new unit with mid-2015 specs.
GoldfishCRM 10y ago
468 days since last MacBook Pro update and 539 days since last MacBook Air update. Way to long...
makmanalp 10y ago
This page seems to have the most updated info I've found anywhere, I just check it every so often. http://www.macrumors.com/roundup/macbook-pro/ http://www.macrumors.com/roundup/macbook-pro/
no1youknowz 10y ago
I have a 2012 Macbook Pro. It does everything I need it to do and it's my primary machine. Whilst I don't need another one. I would love to see a refresh with a better graphics card. Something like a Nvidia Geforce GTX 1080M. Purely for VR and then hoping to see Oculus development with it. I'm probably wishing at this point as well. Sure a better CPU, more RAM, bigger SSD would be nice. But right now, neither of them can really justify a replacement. Everything works just fine with what I have now!
- collias 10y ago
  I'm in the exact same boat. The GeForce 650M is really the only component showing any signs of aging. Everything else is still running great. I used to be an Apple skeptic, but the fact that my almost-5-year-old laptop still feels completely adequate for everything I need to do (iOS dev) makes it a lot easier to justify dropping nearly $2k on it.
- drinchev 10y ago
  Mine is 2011 i7 2.8Ghz. I upgraded it with 16 Gigs RAM & Samsung SSD. It's simply amazing. I'm really sad that those new models are not-upgradable. I was looking for a new laptop ( because my battery is giving up ) and I'm disappointed that Apple is soldering the RAM. I hope if there are new MacBook Pro's they will also upgrade friendly.
  - toyg 10y ago
    Regarding RAM, with laptops, you're often restricted by what the chipset will actually support, and that's the case for MBPs (still 16 GB as far as I know). Soldering or no soldering, that's the real problem. The actual bitch is soldered battery. Mine (2012 MBPr) is still giving me two to three hours, depending on workload (and sticking to Safari for browsing, which makes a massive difference in power consumption), but a replacement would make me more comfortable. I can't imagine what Apple would make me pay for that. A secondary annoyance is the proprietary SSD interface, which dramatically restricts the choice of hd vendors (for my model, I think the total number of vendors is still 1; I believe a couple of other vendors do support more recent models). I currently live in fear of this disk giving up the ghost before Apple will actually release a new MBP worth buying.
benologist 10y ago
I don't think the future looks very good for MBPs - Apple openly considers their iPad Pro to be the future of personal computers so those people are going to be their next generation of 'power user'... Desktop and laptop sales are down and performance improvements have ground to a halt and Intel have hit a manufacturing ceiling. It feels like x86 is in the last phase of being massively useful - VR needs big GPUs but those are being decoupled from x86, phones/tablets are overwhelmingly ARM, IOT is overwhelmingly ARM.
- tathastu 10y ago
  Still can't develop apps for iPad Pro on an iPad Pro.
  - benologist 10y ago
    Maybe this event will announce such a thing - programming is on their mind too: http://www.apple.com/swift/playgrounds/ http://www.apple.com/swift/playgrounds/

CPLX 10y ago

It's not reasonable for me to think they'll suddenly out of nowhere announce an amazing refresh of the Mac Pro models for the first time since 2013 is it? Because that would be awesome.

PedroBatista 10y ago
Judging by how often they upgraded the line-up in the last gen.... ... ... ...
throwanem 10y ago
Who knows? I don't think there's been any more reason to imagine such a thing will happen than at any point in the last three years, but if it is going to happen, this event would be when we first hear of it. So I wouldn't get my hopes up, but I wouldn't give up on the possibility entirely, I suppose is what I'm saying here.
- ianai 10y ago
  Actually I think it was about 3-4 years between the previous Mac Pro and current lines. That said those machines need a good modernization to things like NVME and new video cards.

vladd 10y ago

The press expects them to announce iPhone 7: http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/29/12429510/apple-iphone-7-event-date-announced http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/29/12429510/apple-iphone-7-ev...

ninedays 10y ago

Seeing the invitation title, I'd be surprised if the new iPhone is not named iPhone 7.

freshyill 10y ago
Also, it's next in their very predictable naming scheme. People focus way too much on what it's called. I'd be very surprised if they don't eventually get away from the 5, 5s, 6, 6s, etc. scheme. Most of their other products have gotten away from it, including the iPad. They've already started with the iPhone SE.
- JustSomeNobody 10y ago
  They'll probably call this one the iPhone 7 because it's rumored to keep with similar styling, but with the (rumored) complete refresh next year, they'll probably just call it the iPhone.
- throwanem 10y ago
  To be fair, the SE is widely regarded as an "out-of-band" update - a hardware rev of the iPhone 5S. I'm not sure how likely it is that its name is predictive of a new naming scheme.

Analemma_ 10y ago

Hold your headphone jack's hand and tell it you love it, because this is the day it goes on life support.

PerryCox 10y ago
And the day that is announced is the day I switch to Android. I'm fine with the idea of improving upon the 3.5mm headphone jack, but until we have a standard that all other phone companies use, I'm not changing.
- JustSomeNobody 10y ago
  This is key. We don't need anything proprietary. In fact, we need just the opposite.
- mkhalil 10y ago
  Well, Android might be moving headphones to USB-C eventually as well, so if that's the decision, how would you feel?
  - sofaofthedamned 10y ago
    If Google and Apple both came out and said 'this is the future of audio' and showed a USB3 connection to some nice Grado or Sennheisers, i'd be all ears. Instead I suspect Apple as usual will say 'these are your new headphones' with a crappy pair of earbuds that cost eleventy gillion pounds, and we'll all retreat back to not giving a toss. Apple are ace sometimes - I love my Macbook Pro, but smartphones are at a point where my girlfriend (an Apple fan) is considering moving to Android after seeing my Nexus 6p. Apple don't have the weight in the industry they used to have. Basically - 1. Headphones need to be USB3, with 2 ports available. 2. Standard protocol, with all the bit and sample rates. 3. DRM is fine, but it's optional 4. Spec is open, but well defined so manufacturers, even cheap ones, can join in.
- ryanSrich 10y ago
  Someone has to make the leap though right? It's not like all the biggest tech companies in the world are going to get together in a room and agree on something. One must force the others hand.

NovaS1X 10y ago

I'll be keeping tabs on this event just to keep alive the small glimmer of hope that they'll release the new MBP.

dhritzkiv 10y ago

Do the bokeh somehow suggest improved camera depth of field via the rumoured secondary sensor?

ohitsdom 10y ago

"See you on the 7th" They've hinted at announcements in titles and themeing before. Am I reading too much into it to hope for something AR/VR related? Obviously the event will include new iPhones, but I'm curious to see if they enter the augmented world.

Corrado 10y ago

I'm really hoping they will announce a 27" Retina Apple Cinema Display. The old 27" one was EOL earlier this summer and I'm having a tough time finding a suitable replacement.