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I know what you're getting at, but the generalisations in your comment are astounding.

GuiA 10y ago
Wait, which part is bothering you? The one third of girls in the Arab region who marry before their 18th birthday? [0] Or the 36% (currently) of Americans who support Trump's policies? [1] Or the roughly 30% of French people who support a presidential candidate [2] whose father and previous party leader was fined for asserting that gassing chambers in world war 2 were just a small historical detail? [3] Not sure the right thing is astounding you here. [0]: http://www.prb.org/pdf13/child-marriage-arab-region.pdf http://www.prb.org/pdf13/child-marriage-arab-region.pdf [1]: https://ca.news.yahoo.com/clinton-leads-trump-5-points-reuters-ipsos-poll-062657638.html https://ca.news.yahoo.com/clinton-leads-trump-5-points-reute... [2]: http://www.sudradio.fr/Politique/Sondage-Marine-Le-Pen-au-2nd-tour-en-2017-dans-toutes-les-hypotheses http://www.sudradio.fr/Politique/Sondage-Marine-Le-Pen-au-2n... [3]: http://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2016/04/06/jean-marie-le-pen-condamne-pour-ses-propos-sur-les-chambres-a-gaz_4897050_823448.html http://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2016/04/06/jean-mari...
- ekianjo 10y ago
  > but it'd also include Americans telling you how great Trump is and how they can't wait for him to get rid of Mexicans, > Or the 36% (currently) of Americans who support Trump's policies? [1] You are making a shortcut. There are probably various reasons why people favor a candidate, and you should not underestimate the "I hate the other one even more" factor. > French people going on about how muslims should all be imprisoned This is a preposterous statement. Even the FN's proposed policies is not about putting folks in prison, but to make them leave the country if they had the power to do so. Plus, French prisons are already over-capacity and most prison sentences are not applied because of that. Do you know what you are talking about or do you read tabloids?
  - GuiA 10y ago
    Just a French guy who's lived 10 years in the US here. Yeah, they don't want to send the arabic kids to prison, they want to send them back to where they come from. Oh wait, they were born in France. Well, they want to send them somewhere, that's for sure. I believe we may have gotten drunk together after a HN Kansai meetup last year, but my memory of the night's hazy.
    - seszett 10y ago
      > Just a French guy who's lived 10 years in the US here Yeah, you're probably the best person to talk about France then. Just remember about 10% of citizens have been voting for FN for the past 30 years with little evolution one way or another (it has been getting a little more votes since the leader isn't the openly racist founder anymore, which is actually a good sign isn't it?). Also, judging someone on one of their parents is very bad form, would you also criticise people for voting for a candidate whose mother was a playmate? The real difference, the reason why they are getting better scores than they used to, is that most moderate people are stopping voting altogether because the moderate parties are disappointing everyone is every way. 10% of citizens is too little IMO to generalise as "the French", especially if you're not even living in France.
      - GuiA 10y ago
        > Also, judging someone on one of their parents is very bad form Come on, she took over her dad's party very happily, you know very well that this argument doesn't apply here. As far as popularity goes, we'll see what happens next year. It seems that in your eagerness to comment, you missed on the fact that my original post never said that all French people supported FN - just that the French population includes a non trivial subset who do. > Yeah, you're probably the best person to talk about France then. I'm glad there are people on this forum who are the best person to talk about anything!
    - pbhjpbhj 10y ago
      >Yeah, they don't want to send the arabic kids to prison, they want to send them back to where they come from. Oh wait, they were born in France. // That makes them French, not Arabic then. The problem is somewhere in that distinction I imagine. That the French wouldn't be so bothered if people came to France to be French and adopt the local manners and attitudes; instead people seemingly are coming to the liberal and liberated countries with a distant goal of making them as backward and oppressive as the countries they left/fled.

GuiA 10y ago

Wait, which part is bothering you? The one third of girls in the Arab region who marry before their 18th birthday? [0] Or the 36% (currently) of Americans who support Trump's policies? [1] Or the roughly 30% of French people who support a presidential candidate [2] whose father and previous party leader was fined for asserting that gassing chambers in world war 2 were just a small historical detail? [3] Not sure the right thing is astounding you here. [0]: http://www.prb.org/pdf13/child-marriage-arab-region.pdf http://www.prb.org/pdf13/child-marriage-arab-region.pdf [1]: https://ca.news.yahoo.com/clinton-leads-trump-5-points-reuters-ipsos-poll-062657638.html https://ca.news.yahoo.com/clinton-leads-trump-5-points-reute... [2]: http://www.sudradio.fr/Politique/Sondage-Marine-Le-Pen-au-2nd-tour-en-2017-dans-toutes-les-hypotheses http://www.sudradio.fr/Politique/Sondage-Marine-Le-Pen-au-2n... [3]: http://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2016/04/06/jean-marie-le-pen-condamne-pour-ses-propos-sur-les-chambres-a-gaz_4897050_823448.html http://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2016/04/06/jean-mari...

ekianjo 10y ago
> but it'd also include Americans telling you how great Trump is and how they can't wait for him to get rid of Mexicans, > Or the 36% (currently) of Americans who support Trump's policies? [1] You are making a shortcut. There are probably various reasons why people favor a candidate, and you should not underestimate the "I hate the other one even more" factor. > French people going on about how muslims should all be imprisoned This is a preposterous statement. Even the FN's proposed policies is not about putting folks in prison, but to make them leave the country if they had the power to do so. Plus, French prisons are already over-capacity and most prison sentences are not applied because of that. Do you know what you are talking about or do you read tabloids?
- GuiA 10y ago
  Just a French guy who's lived 10 years in the US here. Yeah, they don't want to send the arabic kids to prison, they want to send them back to where they come from. Oh wait, they were born in France. Well, they want to send them somewhere, that's for sure. I believe we may have gotten drunk together after a HN Kansai meetup last year, but my memory of the night's hazy.
  - seszett 10y ago
    > Just a French guy who's lived 10 years in the US here Yeah, you're probably the best person to talk about France then. Just remember about 10% of citizens have been voting for FN for the past 30 years with little evolution one way or another (it has been getting a little more votes since the leader isn't the openly racist founder anymore, which is actually a good sign isn't it?). Also, judging someone on one of their parents is very bad form, would you also criticise people for voting for a candidate whose mother was a playmate? The real difference, the reason why they are getting better scores than they used to, is that most moderate people are stopping voting altogether because the moderate parties are disappointing everyone is every way. 10% of citizens is too little IMO to generalise as "the French", especially if you're not even living in France.
    - GuiA 10y ago
      > Also, judging someone on one of their parents is very bad form Come on, she took over her dad's party very happily, you know very well that this argument doesn't apply here. As far as popularity goes, we'll see what happens next year. It seems that in your eagerness to comment, you missed on the fact that my original post never said that all French people supported FN - just that the French population includes a non trivial subset who do. > Yeah, you're probably the best person to talk about France then. I'm glad there are people on this forum who are the best person to talk about anything!
  - pbhjpbhj 10y ago
    >Yeah, they don't want to send the arabic kids to prison, they want to send them back to where they come from. Oh wait, they were born in France. // That makes them French, not Arabic then. The problem is somewhere in that distinction I imagine. That the French wouldn't be so bothered if people came to France to be French and adopt the local manners and attitudes; instead people seemingly are coming to the liberal and liberated countries with a distant goal of making them as backward and oppressive as the countries they left/fled.