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FreeSense: Indoor Human Identification with WiFi Signals
- BetaCygni 10y agoVery cool, and somehow very creepy! This is how we will be hunted when the machines rise up ;)
- EGreg 10y agoHow would a person be able to avoid this?
- AlphaWeaver 10y agoThat's one scary implication: they can't.
- EGreg 10y agoNo seriously. Maybe wear some kinda suit?
- sroussey 10y agoOf metal, sure.
- givinguflac 10y agoRun Ethernet throughout your home and hardwire 100% of everything. Disable all wireless radios in your house. That will stop your own gear from being used like this, but unless you turn your home into a faraday cage someone could probably blast your home with 2.4GHz externally to achieve similar results. If as you mention, perhaps you had some kind of suit that is completely absorbent to wireless spectrum, though that in itself could be used as an identifier most likely.
- EGreg 10y agoWhat I meant was that the suit would change your "wifi fingerprint", not that it would be absorbent.
- daurnimator 10y agoYou can buy coating for your windows that blocks RF. e.g. http://www.scottishwindowtinting.com/residential-window-film/window-film-blocks-radio-frequency-rf-radiation/ http://www.scottishwindowtinting.com/residential-window-film... Can usually get in via custom order from anywhere that does window tinting.
- 13of40 10y agoTurn the wifi hotspot on on your phone and blind it. It probably won't work so well if the background wifi signals keep moving around.
- jevyjevjevs 10y agoSince this uses standard WiFi, if you don't have a WiFi network, you're good!
- nsns 10y agoUnless, of course, they are aware of it and try to subvert it by consciously modifying "their body shape characteristics and motion patterns".
- buddapalm 10y agoI'd imagine a simple device that broadcasts noise or fake signals would be enough to throw it off. Lots of principles used in speed trap jammers could be used.
- giosch 10y agoProbably with a device that transmit in the same frequency of the WiFi network, just ending up distubing the signal
- pibefision 10y agoput some cold water and ice in the bathtube and wait inside it until the spiders left the building... :) (important link to understand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=901lYbPmqu4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=901lYbPmqu4)
- xkcd-sucks 10y agoRun a cheap switched mode power supply in their pocket?
- homero 10y agoAim a microwave at the door and modify it to run open
- vasili111 10y agoVery simple. Just use: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage
- goodplay 10y agoTinfoil. Lots and lots of tinfoil. Conductive meshes work as well provided that the holes are small enough.
- jevyjevjevs 10y agoVP Product at aerial.ai (using similar strategies as this paper) here. A few major caveats to make this work: a) There needs to be enough traffic happening on the network to have the resolution needed to differentiate between people. b) The device needs to be able to see the traffic. This won't protect you from a device in the home that has this technology, but it will from people standing outside of the home (as the signal attenuates a lot outside of the home)
- droopybuns 10y agoThe only good application of this work I can come up with is to reduce the danger that comes from surprised cops in no-knock warrants. Still kinda evil though.
- RijilV 10y agoWould be interesting for a home security system, or for enhancing Nest so the users don't have to walk past it for it to know you are in the home. Also the paper notes this approach has fewer privacy concerns than other tracking systems, which is true to the degree your goal is tracking locations in a house. However if all the sudden we all ended up with tracking systems in our house that would be a privacy concern.
- lovelearning 10y agoUseful for detecting if aged or ailing family members haven't moved in a while, and check on them.
- sroussey 10y agoTrue, some of these wifi tracking systems can track heart beat as well.
- yashinm92 10y agoA team from MIT has created a product for this specific purpose using a very similar technology: http://www.emeraldforhome.com/ http://www.emeraldforhome.com/
- jevyjevjevs 10y agoNot using WiFi, but their own RF spectrum. Very cool though.
- will_hughes 10y agoBetter home automation, perhaps.
- noobiemcfoob 10y agoThis is a type of passive identification I hadn't imagined before. It's pretty impressive to see 90% identification for a set of 6 users. I can't imagine it's accurate enough to use for secure verification. I could see it's application for a shared entertainment system (ps4, netflix, etc) where identification is primarily for configuration purposes, not security.
- danielmorozoff 10y agoWasn't this what wifi slam worked on at Stanford?
- lwis 10y agoIs this much different to FIND?
- qrv3w 10y agoFIND author here. It's not doing internal positioning with Channel State Information (CSI), but there are folks that are [1]. The approach in FIND is different [2] - FIND just uses RSSI+MAC information which works great on mobile devices and simple esp8266 chips and doesn't require code for the specific network interface. As far as I know you have to write some network card specific code to be able to use CSI. [1] https://arxiv.org/pdf/1603.07080.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/1603.07080.pdf [2] https://github.com/schollz/find#about https://github.com/schollz/find#about
- SEJeff 10y agoStill no IOS support yet I take it? I was so excited about that before realizing it only worked on Android.
- qrv3w 10y agoSorry! Apple is very restrictive. iOS 9+ is supports access to WiFi RSSI, but requires permission and approval from Apple. We requested permission 3 weeks ago and no word yet.
- notduncansmith 10y agoCan this be executed from phones (which can act as WiFi router, for tethering purposes) by this ubiquitous baseband RCE vulnerability I always hear about on HN?
- jevyjevjevs 10y agoSome of these WiFi statistics used in this paper are typically not exposed at the user level. You would need to have a modified driver. May or may not be easy to do for an iOS or Android phone.
- infodroid 10y agoThere was a good/creepy article in The Atlantic about FreeSense and WiKey, which was covered a few days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12353605 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12353605
- dynofuz 10y agoI building a business around this stuff in boston. If anyone's interested send me an email (in my profile)
- kobayashi 10y agoPrevious discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12353605 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12353605
- SEJeff 10y agoNote that this isn't all that dissimilar to Xandem's tomographic motion detection. Their "Xandem Home" product makes a Harry Potter Marauder Map style overlay on a map of your home showing where all moving people are in realtime. It is really cool stuff that I'm about to have installed in my own home: http://www.securityelectronicsandnetworks.com/articles/2014/06/24/xandem-tmd-tomographic-motion-detection-review http://www.securityelectronicsandnetworks.com/articles/2014/... http://www.xandem.com/motion-detection http://www.xandem.com/motion-detection Compared to crappy PIRs from companies like ADT, it is great stuff.
- ahier 10y agoMIT Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory (CSAIL) did this last year: http://rfcapture.csail.mit.edu/ http://rfcapture.csail.mit.edu/
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- jevyjevjevs 10y agoHi everyone! I'm VP Product at aerial.ai. We are using some of these techniques for presence, activity and identification. We have 7 patents in this area. Happy to answer any questions! Edit: We're hiring DSP, ML and Growth people