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> I am 100% convinced that if Magnus could be properly motivated (think big $$$ and somehow convincing him that scoring a decent proportion of draws as White wo

> I am 100% convinced that if Magnus could be properly motivated (think big $$$ and somehow convincing him that scoring a decent proportion of draws as White would be a "win") he could deliver for humanity :-) You are 100% wrong. Computers overtook humans at chess in 1995. Unless there is some insight Magnus Carlsen or any other GM has which they are not sharing, it will remain that way.

pbhjpbhj 10y ago
Even at equal capability a person who never tired, seldom erred, never forgot a sequence, never got distracted or emotional would surely be superior at chess?
billforsternz 10y ago
If you think there is no way Magnus Carlsen could steer a few games to draws, you really don't know much about chess.
- Lordarminius 10y ago
  I am a 2200 elo rated player. There will be more to the game than Magnus steering "a few games to draws". I suppose it would depend also on how many games are agreed for the match. For a suitably large number of games, the computer could simply force many dull draws then lash out with a strong tactical game. Humans have the extra dimension of emotions and fatigue to deal with. Switching from positional play to long tactical sequences does not play well to human strengths; in addition getting a draw from a "mission programmed" computer may not be trivial as there is the added dimension that it does not need to choose the most direct route to the draw. Another factor is that it is trivial to change the computers repertoire of openings and there are a wide choice of these. Humans including Magnus require weeks to months of preparation before they are ready to play new openings or deviate from prepared lines. Finally, (and I freely admit that this is my own personal opinion), Magnus Carlsen may not be our best choice of human to play against a computer. There is an unmistakable emotional fragility to him which manifests when he is losing (cf his games with Anand); a good deal of his strength lies mainly in the early middle game and ending but computers are superior in the latter; and he often wins games out of sheer stamina- a strategy that wont work with the silicon beast.
  - billforsternz 10y ago
    The original point I was making was simply that the >500 point Elo delta is an exaggeration. So I only need Magnus to steer a few games to draws to be correct.

pbhjpbhj 10y ago

Even at equal capability a person who never tired, seldom erred, never forgot a sequence, never got distracted or emotional would surely be superior at chess?

billforsternz 10y ago

If you think there is no way Magnus Carlsen could steer a few games to draws, you really don't know much about chess.

Lordarminius 10y ago
I am a 2200 elo rated player. There will be more to the game than Magnus steering "a few games to draws". I suppose it would depend also on how many games are agreed for the match. For a suitably large number of games, the computer could simply force many dull draws then lash out with a strong tactical game. Humans have the extra dimension of emotions and fatigue to deal with. Switching from positional play to long tactical sequences does not play well to human strengths; in addition getting a draw from a "mission programmed" computer may not be trivial as there is the added dimension that it does not need to choose the most direct route to the draw. Another factor is that it is trivial to change the computers repertoire of openings and there are a wide choice of these. Humans including Magnus require weeks to months of preparation before they are ready to play new openings or deviate from prepared lines. Finally, (and I freely admit that this is my own personal opinion), Magnus Carlsen may not be our best choice of human to play against a computer. There is an unmistakable emotional fragility to him which manifests when he is losing (cf his games with Anand); a good deal of his strength lies mainly in the early middle game and ending but computers are superior in the latter; and he often wins games out of sheer stamina- a strategy that wont work with the silicon beast.
- billforsternz 10y ago
  The original point I was making was simply that the >500 point Elo delta is an exaggeration. So I only need Magnus to steer a few games to draws to be correct.