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Go take a look at Huawei. Their products are just as good as Cisco's at a much lower price. Yet they are completely shut out of the US market. Otherwise, Cisco

Go take a look at Huawei. Their products are just as good as Cisco's at a much lower price. Yet they are completely shut out of the US market. Otherwise, Cisco would be decimated (they are already more or less).

zghst 10y ago
Also filled with tons of gov't spyware just like Cisco.
- nullnilvoid 10y ago
  For spyware, go ask Edward Snowden and NSA's PRISM program. NSA basically demanded direct accesses to Google, Apple etc.'s servers storing user data. NSA also tapped into the backbone of internet and built data centers to store and decrypt data.
- linkregister 10y ago
  There isn't any evidence to substantiate that. The risk discussed in Congress was that the Chinese government would likely coerce Huawei into inserting "phone-home" capability into telecommunications hardware on U.S. critical infrastructure. There has been no documented instance of this happening. Edit: by Huawei.
linkregister 10y ago
Huawei is by no means shut out from the U.S. market. Mid-tier telecoms (e.g. Cricket Wireless) use Huawei routers, cellular equipment, and intermediary equipment. L3 Communications is suggested to have bought from them as well. [1] Huawei mobile phones are doing well in the U.S. The Nexus 6P is one example of a popular Huawei product. Huawei televisions also sell well in the U.S. [1] http://fortune.com/2011/07/28/what-makes-china-telecom-huawei-so-scary/ http://fortune.com/2011/07/28/what-makes-china-telecom-huawe...
- nullnilvoid 10y ago
  When did Cricket Wireless become mid-tier telecoms? It is hte first time I have heard of the company. Check this out. U.S. Congress Flags China's Huawei, ZTE As Security Threats:http://www.forbes.com/sites/simonmontlake/2012/10/08/u-s-congress-flags-chinas-huawei-zte-as-security-threats/#244572906b19 http://www.forbes.com/sites/simonmontlake/2012/10/08/u-s-con... Cisco paid the lobbyists in DC very well.
  - linkregister 10y ago
    I can come up with lots of reasons you haven't heard of them: maybe you're not from a large or mid-size city, maybe you intentionally avoid billboards, television, radio, and print advertisements, maybe you don't live in the U.S.; the list goes on. But this is a distraction. Do you or don't you concede that the significant sales of products contradicts your claim that they are shut out of the market? > Cisco paid the lobbyists in DC very well. This is a non-sequitur and sensational flame bait. Bonus: Even in 2010 Huawei recorded over $500M in revenue in the United States. http://www.huawei.com/us/about-huawei/corporate-info/research-development/ http://www.huawei.com/us/about-huawei/corporate-info/researc...
    - nullnilvoid 10y ago
      $500M in revenue is a small drop in the ocean. Cisco reported $49.2B revenue in 2015 alone. Huawei reported $60.1B in 2015. Apple reported $16B in one quarter of 2014 in greater China alone. Given Huawei's strength in products and advantages in pricing, they should decimate Cisco righteously, if not the barrier stood up by the US government.
      - linkregister 10y ago
        Huawei is competing with Cisco domestically (in China) as well. Cisco reported earnings of $1.6B in the China-Japan segment in Q3 [1]. Cisco still sells network equipment to ISPs and telecoms in China. There is no U.S. bogeyman in either country. I am interested to hear your agenda. Clearly you don't work for Huawei, otherwise you would be better informed. Your insistence of this despite evidence to the contrary is backed by a personal belief. I'm interested in hearing your world view and want to know what that belief is. [1] http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/18/cisco-reports-q3-earnings-results.html http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/18/cisco-reports-q3-earnings-res...
adventured 10y ago
Cisco is decimated? That's laughable. $150 billion market cap. $49 billion in sales. $10 billion in profit. That's about 60% more in profit than Alibaba for comparison sake. $63 billion in cash. So one of the world's largest and financially strongest corporations, and it's decimated. Oh if they could all be so lucky.
- nullnilvoid 10y ago
  Cisco is laying off 14,000 people, 20% of its workforce. If it is so strong, why would it let go so many people? Cisco makes good profits now, precisely because the US government protects Cisco from competitions in the US market. Yahoo was worth $200B at a time. How much was it sold to Verizon?

zghst 10y ago

Also filled with tons of gov't spyware just like Cisco.

nullnilvoid 10y ago
For spyware, go ask Edward Snowden and NSA's PRISM program. NSA basically demanded direct accesses to Google, Apple etc.'s servers storing user data. NSA also tapped into the backbone of internet and built data centers to store and decrypt data.
linkregister 10y ago
There isn't any evidence to substantiate that. The risk discussed in Congress was that the Chinese government would likely coerce Huawei into inserting "phone-home" capability into telecommunications hardware on U.S. critical infrastructure. There has been no documented instance of this happening. Edit: by Huawei.

linkregister 10y ago

Huawei is by no means shut out from the U.S. market. Mid-tier telecoms (e.g. Cricket Wireless) use Huawei routers, cellular equipment, and intermediary equipment. L3 Communications is suggested to have bought from them as well. [1] Huawei mobile phones are doing well in the U.S. The Nexus 6P is one example of a popular Huawei product. Huawei televisions also sell well in the U.S. [1] http://fortune.com/2011/07/28/what-makes-china-telecom-huawei-so-scary/ http://fortune.com/2011/07/28/what-makes-china-telecom-huawe...

nullnilvoid 10y ago
When did Cricket Wireless become mid-tier telecoms? It is hte first time I have heard of the company. Check this out. U.S. Congress Flags China's Huawei, ZTE As Security Threats:http://www.forbes.com/sites/simonmontlake/2012/10/08/u-s-congress-flags-chinas-huawei-zte-as-security-threats/#244572906b19 http://www.forbes.com/sites/simonmontlake/2012/10/08/u-s-con... Cisco paid the lobbyists in DC very well.
- linkregister 10y ago
  I can come up with lots of reasons you haven't heard of them: maybe you're not from a large or mid-size city, maybe you intentionally avoid billboards, television, radio, and print advertisements, maybe you don't live in the U.S.; the list goes on. But this is a distraction. Do you or don't you concede that the significant sales of products contradicts your claim that they are shut out of the market? > Cisco paid the lobbyists in DC very well. This is a non-sequitur and sensational flame bait. Bonus: Even in 2010 Huawei recorded over $500M in revenue in the United States. http://www.huawei.com/us/about-huawei/corporate-info/research-development/ http://www.huawei.com/us/about-huawei/corporate-info/researc...
  - nullnilvoid 10y ago
    $500M in revenue is a small drop in the ocean. Cisco reported $49.2B revenue in 2015 alone. Huawei reported $60.1B in 2015. Apple reported $16B in one quarter of 2014 in greater China alone. Given Huawei's strength in products and advantages in pricing, they should decimate Cisco righteously, if not the barrier stood up by the US government.
    - linkregister 10y ago
      Huawei is competing with Cisco domestically (in China) as well. Cisco reported earnings of $1.6B in the China-Japan segment in Q3 [1]. Cisco still sells network equipment to ISPs and telecoms in China. There is no U.S. bogeyman in either country. I am interested to hear your agenda. Clearly you don't work for Huawei, otherwise you would be better informed. Your insistence of this despite evidence to the contrary is backed by a personal belief. I'm interested in hearing your world view and want to know what that belief is. [1] http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/18/cisco-reports-q3-earnings-results.html http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/18/cisco-reports-q3-earnings-res...

adventured 10y ago

Cisco is decimated? That's laughable. $150 billion market cap. $49 billion in sales. $10 billion in profit. That's about 60% more in profit than Alibaba for comparison sake. $63 billion in cash. So one of the world's largest and financially strongest corporations, and it's decimated. Oh if they could all be so lucky.

nullnilvoid 10y ago
Cisco is laying off 14,000 people, 20% of its workforce. If it is so strong, why would it let go so many people? Cisco makes good profits now, precisely because the US government protects Cisco from competitions in the US market. Yahoo was worth $200B at a time. How much was it sold to Verizon?