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By default, Windows 10 sends an unprecedented amount of usage data back to Microsoft... location data, text input, voice input, touch input, webpages you v
by cptskippy 10y ago
By default, Windows 10 sends an unprecedented amount of
usage data back to Microsoft... location data, text
input, voice input, touch input, webpages you visit, and
telemetry data regarding your general usage of your
computer, including which programs you run and for how long.
Unprecedented for Microsoft or everyone? This is inline with what Google collects on Android.
...the fact remains that many users would much prefer to
opt out of these features in exchange for maintaining
their privacy.
Which they can do at any time, the initial setup permits opting out of almost all of this.
A significant issue is the telemetry data the company
receives. While Microsoft insists that it aggregates and
anonymizes this data, it hasn’t explained just how it
does so. Microsoft also won’t say how long this data is
retained, instead providing only general timeframes.
Microsoft has been doing this since Windows XP as do Apple, Google, and Amazon for their respective OSes.
Microsoft has tried to explain this lack of choice by
saying that Windows Update won’t function properly on
copies of the operating system with telemetry reporting
turned to its lowest level.
This is interesting because Windows 10 won't let you disable telemetry data entirely which upsets people. But most people probably want updates and the data necessary to determine which updates you've got installed on your computer are considered telemetry data by Microsoft and that information is essential in order to determine which updates are applicable or available. So does the minimum setting in Windows 10 collect more telemetry data than is necessary for Windows Update to function or not?
But this is a false choice that is entirely of
Microsoft’s own creation. There’s no good reason why the
types of data Microsoft collects at each telemetry level
couldn’t be adjusted so that even at the lowest level of
telemetry collection, users could still benefit from
Windows Update and secure their machines from
vulnerabilities, without having to send back things like
app usage data or unique IDs like an IMEI number.
Did Microsoft actually say that the lowest level of telemetry data collection includes that information? That sounds like an assumption.
And if this wasn’t bad enough, Microsoft’s questionable
upgrade tactics of bundling Windows 10 into various
levels of security updates have also managed to lower
users’ trust in the necessity of security updates. Sadly,
this has led some people to forego security updates
entirely, meaning that there are users whose machines are
at risk of being attacked.
Right or wrong, this is what Apple, Google, and Amazon currently. Sure it's nice to be able to look at each and every update to scrutinize what's going in but very few people do that. If you've every looked at the updates in earlier versions of Windows they're usually just KB numbers that you have to copy/paste into a browser to see what they actually fix.
- syshum 10y ago>>> Apple, Google, and Amazon currently So in your world 2 wrongs make a right... because "everyone else" is doing it is a justification for you? See I was taught from a young age that just because my friends did something incredibly stupid, illegal, or immoral that dis not give me license to commit the offense.
- JustSomeNobody 10y agoSame here. Edit: <snip>
- cptskippy 10y agoSo why aren't we complaining about this industry practice? It's purely focused on MS.
- WhatIsDukkha 10y agoWe have choices outside of the win32 bubble - https://twitter.com/Arubin/status/27808662429 https://twitter.com/Arubin/status/27808662429
- cptskippy 10y agoI'm not sure what that has to do with this thread of conversation.
- hendersoon 10y agoPut simply, Apple and Google allow users to opt-out. You can run Android and not send Google a single byte of information. You can't run google's _apps_ and do that-- gmail, google calendar, the google play store, and so on. But it isn't mandatory. Telemetry is in the apps, not the OS. Even if I set telemetry to "basic" (the lowest it will go), turn off Cortana, and don't use IE or Edge (or any other MS app), Windows 10 sends telemetry to Microsoft. That's not OK.
- ksk 10y ago