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What's so bad about OpenStack?

im_down_w_otp 10y ago
What's good about it? It's a bunch of different dumpster fires created by a bunch of committees across a bunch of companies which mostly compete with each other, and as such have no real incentive or motivation to have it all work well together even if they had the ability to, and the ability alone is seriously in question.
karma_vaccum123 10y ago
The Vision: a community-managed set of integrated tools that let you create a featureful cloud on hardware you control. The Reality: a bunch of python scripts everyone forks.. committee politics...frustration OpenStack is a great example of going "community" before the problem is well understood or there is a solution people trust. It's basically a tire fire at this point and most of the community participants are market losers.
- Rapzid 10y ago
  Substitute Python for bash and I get the same sense from Kubernetes.. I'm not sure it's fair to say "before the problem is well understood... But maybe. Whatever Google had going on internally Kubernetes is very much figuring it out along the way at almost every level. If you are wanting to use on AWS then you have kops, kube-up, hyperkube, protokube; a dizzying, un-approachable and interconnected ecosystem of launch scripts/programs. Very strange interop decisions with AWS, but hard to fault because it's darn near one person trying to manage all AWS integrations.
  - berdario 10y ago
    bash? Isn't Kubernetes predominantly Golang based?
  - bogomipz 10y ago
    "Substitute Python for bash and I get the same sense from Kubernetes" Huh? Kubernetes is written in Golang.
- bechampion 10y ago
  the annoying and stupid modularity of it ...
- 72deluxe 10y ago
  What alternatives are there?
  - karma_vaccum123 10y ago
    AWS, Azure or GCE....or if you insist on your own hw, just what spit and bailing wire you minimally require... at least you will own and understand it.
    - hueving 10y ago
      Those are not alternatives. They require you to run your software on someone else's computer.
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What's good about it? It's a bunch of different dumpster fires created by a bunch of committees across a bunch of companies which mostly compete with each other, and as such have no real incentive or motivation to have it all work well together even if they had the ability to, and the ability alone is seriously in question.

karma_vaccum123 10y ago

The Vision: a community-managed set of integrated tools that let you create a featureful cloud on hardware you control. The Reality: a bunch of python scripts everyone forks.. committee politics...frustration OpenStack is a great example of going "community" before the problem is well understood or there is a solution people trust. It's basically a tire fire at this point and most of the community participants are market losers.

Rapzid 10y ago
Substitute Python for bash and I get the same sense from Kubernetes.. I'm not sure it's fair to say "before the problem is well understood... But maybe. Whatever Google had going on internally Kubernetes is very much figuring it out along the way at almost every level. If you are wanting to use on AWS then you have kops, kube-up, hyperkube, protokube; a dizzying, un-approachable and interconnected ecosystem of launch scripts/programs. Very strange interop decisions with AWS, but hard to fault because it's darn near one person trying to manage all AWS integrations.
- berdario 10y ago
  bash? Isn't Kubernetes predominantly Golang based?
- bogomipz 10y ago
  "Substitute Python for bash and I get the same sense from Kubernetes" Huh? Kubernetes is written in Golang.
bechampion 10y ago
the annoying and stupid modularity of it ...
72deluxe 10y ago
What alternatives are there?
- karma_vaccum123 10y ago
  AWS, Azure or GCE....or if you insist on your own hw, just what spit and bailing wire you minimally require... at least you will own and understand it.
  - hueving 10y ago
    Those are not alternatives. They require you to run your software on someone else's computer.
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