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Windows Holographic Shell Demo [video]

36 points by corysama 10y ago

eecc 10y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob Can we get over it?
- majke 10y ago
  Oh god. > The typeface Comic Sans was created for Microsoft Bob.
- johnhenry 10y ago
  Perhaps it will work better in 3D?
Analemma_ 10y ago
You gotta love how the first application to be shown in that video is e-mail. I can just imagine how that meeting went. Dev: "OK, we've created the first platform for fully holographic interfaces. You can create entire worlds where the only limit is your imagination. What should we build first?" PM: "Outlook!" Oh Microsoft, never change ;)
- WorldMaker 10y ago
  One of the points is that they didn't build a new Outlook for it, that's just crusty regular old Outlook being Outlook (in a 3D space, but Outlook might not even know that).
leaveyou 10y ago
straight from my gut: virtual renditions of remote touristic places & events: YES ! virtual desktops, apps that work best in 2D forced into 3D and virtual pets: rather no.
- aaronsnoswell 10y ago
  Try 'HoloTour' for an amazing demo of virtual tourism on the HoloLens. [Edit]: Didn't realise that the linked video actually showed off HoloTour :)
TrevorJ 10y ago
Microsoft has completely missed the most powerful aspect of VR/AR here... I believe strongly that one of the KEY features of AR/VR for humans is that it leverages our excellent spacial memory. The spacial metaphor is a powerful one, and the reason memory techniques like loci work. We need to leverage this in VR. Standing at a virtual computer screen is exactly the wrong way to think about this.
- WorldMaker 10y ago
  I'm pretty sure Microsoft hasn't forgotten that. It's subtle in the video, but the applications are more than in just one "virtual screen" spot and seem to remember where they were left (Outlook and Edge are in very different positions in her space, for instance). Same with the virtual knick knacks and doodads scattered in the space. The promises from earlier Windows Holographic pitches is that it is very space-aware including making it easy for multiple machines and people to share a consistent space between them. Certainly there's probably a lot more that the 2D applications could make use of 3D space, but the point of the demo (and Windows Holographic) is that existing 2D applications play nice in your 3D spaces.
- aaronsnoswell 10y ago
  This x1000. So far most of the HoloLens apps are some variant of 'maps on tables' or 'floating screens'. This is totally wasting the potential of this platform.
DanBC 10y ago
I can't help thinking of Community's take on virtual reality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMTQxCzStuw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMTQxCzStuw Whatever pointing device they give had better be good. Flailing around in mid air trying to click a tiny box right next to two other tiny boxes sucks.
frogpelt 10y ago
Looks like the search companion dog is back! But where's Clippy?
- cagey_vet 10y ago
  buried under a thousand windows and widgets, or theres not enough RAM left for it.
kefka 10y ago
At work, on my desk is a Hololens. In some ways, it's cool. In others, it is a complete pile of garbage not worth anyone's time. Cool: New display type, that puts out really good looking holograms floating in reality. Really solid SLAM algo that allows building of areas in 3d. Battery and usage is really solid. Can actively use it at full brightness for 6 hours before recharge. Suck: Runs only things from their "App Store" aka the slum store where PuTTY is $5... Sorry, no X86 apps. Period. End of story. Use Metro/UWP or whatever they call it these days. Very little applications for platform. What little useful ones available are for ridiculous amounts. Open source is non-existent. Loads of crypto data going to and from MS domains. All pinned cert data. The size seemed to correspond to the total size of rooms scanned listed in the settings. No Administrator access, nor is there even a file manager. You are a renter on this platform, not an owner. This of this as "Surface RT for your face". Requires Microsoft account to use, full stop. Don't have an account and don't want an account? You have a $3000 paperweight. If you're prone to getting migraines, using this for any length of period will likely trigger a migraine. I know 3 people who get them, and each of them received a migraine within 5 minutes of usage. It has to do with how the clip/strap works on the head.
- pjmlp 10y ago
  How do the suck points measure up for DayDream and other VR alternatives?
  - kefka 10y ago
    Well, in the VR side of stuff, we have the Rift DK1 and DK2, Vive, and the OSVR. Everybody has their content for the Rift. They were first. And it shows by the number of people making content. The Vive is pretty awesome. The controllers are top notch. I was playing (edit: nope, not Incredible Machine) Fantastic Contraption, and having a great time at it. Things just work, and work well. Make sure to put the room position sensors up about 5-6 feet on tripods though. The OSVR... Well, a pile of crap is putting it nicely. The scripts that install the drivers are that: bad scripts. half the stuff is command-line and badly documented (unless you go through source as your documentation). There's almost no applications for the platform, and no way to run Oculus based demos and games on it. Head tracking was a disaster- when it worked. Save your money and frustration. Buy something else.
wongarsu 10y ago
Regular 2d apps in 3d space could be great, basically a natural extension of the multi-monitor setup. But I don't see it being viable in the next five years. Current generation VR displays are not even close to the required resolution for useful office work.
supercoder 10y ago
Looks similar to http://store.steampowered.com/app/457550/ http://store.steampowered.com/app/457550/
- ungzd 10y ago
  More like http://store.steampowered.com/app/448280/ http://store.steampowered.com/app/448280/
politician 10y ago
What's the resolution of these displays? -- I can't imagine using Outlook (!) on my Rift DK1.
ungzd 10y ago
Virtual office cubicle with Microsoft Office. Like Job Simulator but real. The future we deserve.
drivingmenuts 10y ago
It's sad that the promise of VR was that we could be taken to places that we couldn't go in real life. Like Iceland - I'd love to go to Iceland, but there are issues that prevent that. Or maybe The Louvre, but without all the other tourists, etc. clogging up the joint. No, we get email and a virtual dog. So far, I'm not seeing a reason to even want VR, much less shell out ridiculous amounts of money for it.
- corysama 10y ago
  I'm guessing you noped-out before the end of the vid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu09UWqS8-Q&t=53s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu09UWqS8-Q&t=53s
  - drivingmenuts 10y ago
    OK, that's more like it. The marketoids should have led with that and gotten bigger from there, rather than leading with the mundane stuff I can already do just as well with a bog-standard computer.
shirro 10y ago
Microsoft Bob VR. This will be the biggest thing since 3d televisions.
mindcrash 10y ago
In case you might not know: The first few minutes are most likely a nice nod to Microsoft Bob [1], the first time they tried to create an alternate shell environment (and hopelessly failed, I might add). Well played Microsoft, well played. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob -- Note the dog.

36 points by corysama 10y ago

eecc 10y ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob Can we get over it?

majke 10y ago
Oh god. > The typeface Comic Sans was created for Microsoft Bob.
johnhenry 10y ago
Perhaps it will work better in 3D?

Analemma_ 10y ago

You gotta love how the first application to be shown in that video is e-mail. I can just imagine how that meeting went. Dev: "OK, we've created the first platform for fully holographic interfaces. You can create entire worlds where the only limit is your imagination. What should we build first?" PM: "Outlook!" Oh Microsoft, never change ;)

WorldMaker 10y ago
One of the points is that they didn't build a new Outlook for it, that's just crusty regular old Outlook being Outlook (in a 3D space, but Outlook might not even know that).

leaveyou 10y ago

straight from my gut: virtual renditions of remote touristic places & events: YES ! virtual desktops, apps that work best in 2D forced into 3D and virtual pets: rather no.

aaronsnoswell 10y ago
Try 'HoloTour' for an amazing demo of virtual tourism on the HoloLens. [Edit]: Didn't realise that the linked video actually showed off HoloTour :)

TrevorJ 10y ago

Microsoft has completely missed the most powerful aspect of VR/AR here... I believe strongly that one of the KEY features of AR/VR for humans is that it leverages our excellent spacial memory. The spacial metaphor is a powerful one, and the reason memory techniques like loci work. We need to leverage this in VR. Standing at a virtual computer screen is exactly the wrong way to think about this.

WorldMaker 10y ago
I'm pretty sure Microsoft hasn't forgotten that. It's subtle in the video, but the applications are more than in just one "virtual screen" spot and seem to remember where they were left (Outlook and Edge are in very different positions in her space, for instance). Same with the virtual knick knacks and doodads scattered in the space. The promises from earlier Windows Holographic pitches is that it is very space-aware including making it easy for multiple machines and people to share a consistent space between them. Certainly there's probably a lot more that the 2D applications could make use of 3D space, but the point of the demo (and Windows Holographic) is that existing 2D applications play nice in your 3D spaces.
aaronsnoswell 10y ago
This x1000. So far most of the HoloLens apps are some variant of 'maps on tables' or 'floating screens'. This is totally wasting the potential of this platform.

DanBC 10y ago

I can't help thinking of Community's take on virtual reality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMTQxCzStuw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMTQxCzStuw Whatever pointing device they give had better be good. Flailing around in mid air trying to click a tiny box right next to two other tiny boxes sucks.

frogpelt 10y ago

Looks like the search companion dog is back! But where's Clippy?

cagey_vet 10y ago
buried under a thousand windows and widgets, or theres not enough RAM left for it.

kefka 10y ago

At work, on my desk is a Hololens. In some ways, it's cool. In others, it is a complete pile of garbage not worth anyone's time. Cool: New display type, that puts out really good looking holograms floating in reality. Really solid SLAM algo that allows building of areas in 3d. Battery and usage is really solid. Can actively use it at full brightness for 6 hours before recharge. Suck: Runs only things from their "App Store" aka the slum store where PuTTY is $5... Sorry, no X86 apps. Period. End of story. Use Metro/UWP or whatever they call it these days. Very little applications for platform. What little useful ones available are for ridiculous amounts. Open source is non-existent. Loads of crypto data going to and from MS domains. All pinned cert data. The size seemed to correspond to the total size of rooms scanned listed in the settings. No Administrator access, nor is there even a file manager. You are a renter on this platform, not an owner. This of this as "Surface RT for your face". Requires Microsoft account to use, full stop. Don't have an account and don't want an account? You have a $3000 paperweight. If you're prone to getting migraines, using this for any length of period will likely trigger a migraine. I know 3 people who get them, and each of them received a migraine within 5 minutes of usage. It has to do with how the clip/strap works on the head.

pjmlp 10y ago
How do the suck points measure up for DayDream and other VR alternatives?
- kefka 10y ago
  Well, in the VR side of stuff, we have the Rift DK1 and DK2, Vive, and the OSVR. Everybody has their content for the Rift. They were first. And it shows by the number of people making content. The Vive is pretty awesome. The controllers are top notch. I was playing (edit: nope, not Incredible Machine) Fantastic Contraption, and having a great time at it. Things just work, and work well. Make sure to put the room position sensors up about 5-6 feet on tripods though. The OSVR... Well, a pile of crap is putting it nicely. The scripts that install the drivers are that: bad scripts. half the stuff is command-line and badly documented (unless you go through source as your documentation). There's almost no applications for the platform, and no way to run Oculus based demos and games on it. Head tracking was a disaster- when it worked. Save your money and frustration. Buy something else.

wongarsu 10y ago

Regular 2d apps in 3d space could be great, basically a natural extension of the multi-monitor setup. But I don't see it being viable in the next five years. Current generation VR displays are not even close to the required resolution for useful office work.

supercoder 10y ago

Looks similar to http://store.steampowered.com/app/457550/ http://store.steampowered.com/app/457550/

ungzd 10y ago
More like http://store.steampowered.com/app/448280/ http://store.steampowered.com/app/448280/

politician 10y ago

What's the resolution of these displays? -- I can't imagine using Outlook (!) on my Rift DK1.

ungzd 10y ago

Virtual office cubicle with Microsoft Office. Like Job Simulator but real. The future we deserve.

drivingmenuts 10y ago

It's sad that the promise of VR was that we could be taken to places that we couldn't go in real life. Like Iceland - I'd love to go to Iceland, but there are issues that prevent that. Or maybe The Louvre, but without all the other tourists, etc. clogging up the joint. No, we get email and a virtual dog. So far, I'm not seeing a reason to even want VR, much less shell out ridiculous amounts of money for it.

corysama 10y ago
I'm guessing you noped-out before the end of the vid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu09UWqS8-Q&t=53s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu09UWqS8-Q&t=53s
- drivingmenuts 10y ago
  OK, that's more like it. The marketoids should have led with that and gotten bigger from there, rather than leading with the mundane stuff I can already do just as well with a bog-standard computer.

shirro 10y ago

Microsoft Bob VR. This will be the biggest thing since 3d televisions.

mindcrash 10y ago

In case you might not know: The first few minutes are most likely a nice nod to Microsoft Bob [1], the first time they tried to create an alternate shell environment (and hopelessly failed, I might add). Well played Microsoft, well played. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob -- Note the dog.