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Beeminder sounds like a great idea, but there's something stopping me from using it. Every time I try to set a new goal on Beeminder just before I set the dolla
by copperx 10y ago
Beeminder sounds like a great idea, but there's something stopping me from using it. Every time I try to set a new goal on Beeminder just before I set the dollar amount I hear myself say "this is really stupid" and promptly cancel.
I know that if I feel guilty about paying those $5 per transgression I can just lie to the app, which makes the whole thing pointless.
I understand that the whole idea is to be honest to yourself. But because I have been frugal/cheap my entire life, it feels stupid to waste $5 when I could easily avoid it.
- poppingtonic 10y agoPush the responsibility one step away from yourself. Since the goal needs data from you, then you can connect the goal to something like github, RescueTime, TagTime, Complice, etc. Or design your own service for your own personal needs [please do this if nothing exists]. Example with GitHub: if, to lie to Beeminder through GitHub, you have to make a fake commit, push and pull request, then you're already part of the way to doing what you want! Just s/"fake commit"/"what you actually want to accomplish", and as they say, Bob's your uncle.
- dreeves 10y agoHa, you said this much better than me! Thanks!
- dreeves 10y ago(I'm a Beeminder cofounder) This is good feedback; thank you! We're mostly ok with targeting the particular psychology that this kind of thing works for (our very self-serving characterization thereof: http://blog.beeminder.com/typebee http://blog.beeminder.com/typebee ) but what about adding enough social accountability that you wouldn't cheat? We don't have many social features but you can just point some friends/family at the url of your Beeminder graph. Or maybe a better answer is to automate the data entry (we have dozens of integrations -- GitHub, Trello, Fitbit, RescueTime, etc) so that you'd have to do more than lie to the app. With enough effort you could still cheat, of course. Would love to hear if this is overcomeable or a dealbreaker!
- poppingtonic 10y agoHi, dreeves! The Complice integration is the best thing yet! I'm wondering how many other kinds of such services can be added like this.
- dreeves 10y agoWe're working on making it nice and streamlined to add them! So, lots, we hope! Let us know what you think we should add next.
- copperx 10y agoThank you for your reply. I think social accountability would only work if (1) someone else could tell whether I'm cheating (that's not happening in a personal project) and (2) cares enough to check my graph. Maybe my cheapness trumps my integrity. Or more positively, I reframe the meaning of the price: what does $5 buy me in Beeminder? an accurate data point. Is $5 worth an accurate data point? depends on what I'm planning on doing with the data later. And because I don't know what I want to do with the data, an accurate data point doesn't seem very valuable. That's really unfair, though. I know that losing those $5 eventually will coax me into complying, but my inner Hyde will convince me to lie. Sigh. I guess I just don't fall into the target niche (although it really looks like I do—except for the cheapness-trumping-integrity issue).
- jshholland 10y agoIt's not just $5 for an accurate data point; it's $5 to convince yourself that the commitment to the goal is really real. Betting for free is very different to betting for real money.