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When Verizon talks about "wireless fiber" they are talking about fiber to the corner or fiber to the curb and then using mm-wave the last "100 Meters" so to spe

When Verizon talks about "wireless fiber" they are talking about fiber to the corner or fiber to the curb and then using mm-wave the last "100 Meters" so to speak. FiOS has been tremendously successful but one of the more difficult aspects is getting the fiber that last little bit into homes and offices. Getting fiber up and down the streets is no cake walk either but once done, the second part is extending it the rest of the way. The idea of using mm-wave technology to get it from the corner or curb to your living room is a great idea. If it can be made to work, it can deliver 3-5Gbps without having to have your yard torn up. 5G is a marketing term, but not necessarily a totally bad one. It generally refers to converged network technology that will more seamlessly integrate more aspect such as traditional BB, IoT, Mobility and so on. That is a pretty long term goal of course. Using 5G fixed wireless to provide BB to your home without extending fiber all the way into your house is just one aspect of 5G, one small application, but probably one of the more immediately possible and potentially profitable ones.

massysett 10y ago
If Fios has been so successful, why aren't they building any more of it?
- tw04 10y ago
  Because of the profit margin on wireless, and the ability to artificially increase profits are so much greater. People wouldn't stand for per GB pricing on FIOS because they're used to unlimited. The wireless industry has managed to perpetuate this idea that bandwidth on wireless is an extremely limited resource and they abuse it to no end.
  - massysett 10y ago
    1) It doesn't make sense that both Verizon and all its possible competitors (including anyone not in the wireless business) would leave FTTP profits on the table merely because they can make more on wireless. 2) I thought one point of the article is that wireless bandwidth is limited. They can only get so many GB in given frequency, and the 5G requires a higher number of cell sites.
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  - rayiner 10y ago
    > Because of the profit margin on wireless, and the ability to artificially increase profits are so much greater. How is the ability to "artificially increase profits" "so much greater" in a market where everyone has 3-4 options than in a market where you're almost guaranteed to be the only game in town? Verizon charges - and people pay - $10/GB for extra data for the same reason Apple charges $100 to for a few extra $$ of flash memory. It's classic price discrimination. You sell the minimum 90% of people are okay with, then charge a ton more for the price-insensitive customers.
    - jlgaddis 10y ago
      > Verizon charges - and people pay - $10/GB for extra data for the same reason Apple charges $100 for a few extra $$ of flash memory. Because consumers continue to pay those amounts.
      - rayiner 10y ago
        But why can't Verizon just do the same for FiOS? And why don't consumers just get TMobile unlimited for $70?
        tw04 10y ago
        Because Verizon has created an artificial monopoly by buying up the vast majority of the most coveted spectrum. The only reason T-Mobile is even in business still is because of the failed AT&T acquisition which netted them more valuable spectrum than they had ever or would ever have been able to get via the government auctions. AT&T can somewhat compete, but the failed T-Mobile deal hurt them far worse than anyone seems to be acknowledging.
- zw123456 10y ago
  The cost of delivering the last "100Meters" is significantly less if you can do so with mm-wave technology than with fiber. Hence more profit. Hopefully if it works well, more carriers will use it which will make it more lucrative for more providers to use that approach and spread BB farther and wider. At least, that is the idea.
  - ksec 10y ago
    On the subject of last Mile, I really wish the last mile or inhouse / building / last tiny bit right to your socket is twisted copper Ethernet CAT6 / 8 cable. Why put yet another ONT in my flat / property when all Router has an Ethernet Rj45 Port. Or we need to work on a standard Optical Fibre Solution to be placed in all Router.
    - brians 10y ago
      Couple reasons. Best reason, the fiber has many Gbps extra capacity for Ultra-HD with augmented smellovision. Other reason, if Verizon is delivering twisted pair, the FCC rises from the demarc in a cloud of brimstone and invokes its ancient pacts.
    - kalleboo 10y ago
      I'm happy to have the ONU in my apartment where I can replace it instead of in some telco cabinet where it will take a week for a tech to come out and make repairs
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massysett 10y ago

If Fios has been so successful, why aren't they building any more of it?

tw04 10y ago
Because of the profit margin on wireless, and the ability to artificially increase profits are so much greater. People wouldn't stand for per GB pricing on FIOS because they're used to unlimited. The wireless industry has managed to perpetuate this idea that bandwidth on wireless is an extremely limited resource and they abuse it to no end.
- massysett 10y ago
  1) It doesn't make sense that both Verizon and all its possible competitors (including anyone not in the wireless business) would leave FTTP profits on the table merely because they can make more on wireless. 2) I thought one point of the article is that wireless bandwidth is limited. They can only get so many GB in given frequency, and the 5G requires a higher number of cell sites.
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- rayiner 10y ago
  > Because of the profit margin on wireless, and the ability to artificially increase profits are so much greater. How is the ability to "artificially increase profits" "so much greater" in a market where everyone has 3-4 options than in a market where you're almost guaranteed to be the only game in town? Verizon charges - and people pay - $10/GB for extra data for the same reason Apple charges $100 to for a few extra $$ of flash memory. It's classic price discrimination. You sell the minimum 90% of people are okay with, then charge a ton more for the price-insensitive customers.
  - jlgaddis 10y ago
    > Verizon charges - and people pay - $10/GB for extra data for the same reason Apple charges $100 for a few extra $$ of flash memory. Because consumers continue to pay those amounts.
    - rayiner 10y ago
      But why can't Verizon just do the same for FiOS? And why don't consumers just get TMobile unlimited for $70?
      - tw04 10y ago
        Because Verizon has created an artificial monopoly by buying up the vast majority of the most coveted spectrum. The only reason T-Mobile is even in business still is because of the failed AT&T acquisition which netted them more valuable spectrum than they had ever or would ever have been able to get via the government auctions. AT&T can somewhat compete, but the failed T-Mobile deal hurt them far worse than anyone seems to be acknowledging.
zw123456 10y ago
The cost of delivering the last "100Meters" is significantly less if you can do so with mm-wave technology than with fiber. Hence more profit. Hopefully if it works well, more carriers will use it which will make it more lucrative for more providers to use that approach and spread BB farther and wider. At least, that is the idea.
- ksec 10y ago
  On the subject of last Mile, I really wish the last mile or inhouse / building / last tiny bit right to your socket is twisted copper Ethernet CAT6 / 8 cable. Why put yet another ONT in my flat / property when all Router has an Ethernet Rj45 Port. Or we need to work on a standard Optical Fibre Solution to be placed in all Router.
  - brians 10y ago
    Couple reasons. Best reason, the fiber has many Gbps extra capacity for Ultra-HD with augmented smellovision. Other reason, if Verizon is delivering twisted pair, the FCC rises from the demarc in a cloud of brimstone and invokes its ancient pacts.
  - kalleboo 10y ago
    I'm happy to have the ONU in my apartment where I can replace it instead of in some telco cabinet where it will take a week for a tech to come out and make repairs

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