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This is awesome work! I am extremely pleased to see someone do some QA - since the devs and the humble team obviously aren't doing any. Also, if you think this

by pawadu 10y ago

This is awesome work! I am extremely pleased to see someone do some QA - since the devs and the humble team obviously aren't doing any. Also, if you think this is bad you should see their Android games. For example the extremely high profile Android game Desktop Dungeons crashes at start (this is 100% reproducable on Google reference devices) and has been like this since the bundle was sold over a year ago. The bug thread for the game is 300 pages long still the game has not received a single update from humble bundle. Humble Bundle is not a charity anymore, it is a scam.

dogma1138 10y ago
Why should Humble Bundle do QA? do you expect gamestop to do QA also? They rely on what the developer/publisher tells them, if they say it runs on Linux Humble Bundle classifies it as a Linux title.
- pawadu 10y ago
  So HB has zero responsibility for selling stuff that do not work?
- jakobegger 10y ago
  Because they sell you the game? If you go to a store, buy a lamp, and it doesn't work, can they just say "our supplier said it works"?
  - dogma1138 10y ago
    If something doesn't work you can return it in the case of some of the bundles it might be a bit more problematic since you aren't buying a single product but a bundle and you can pay as little as like 0.01$ for it: Not a single store verifies any product to be functional prior to selling it, if you have a problem they'll exchange it or refund you, if they have a problematic product which simply does not work they will usually stop selling it (it's not worth dealing with angry customers) and contact the supplier to figure out what's going on. So I don't know what expectations you have when you go to a store but when I buy a lamp while I do have a general expectation for it to work I don't blame the store for not verifying that it does before selling it to me.
    - vacri 10y ago
      > Not a single store verifies any product to be functional prior to selling it Bullion stores do. Also, stores that also make the product themselves do, from handmade crafts to factory outlets...
      - dogma1138 10y ago
        You are being pedantic without reason you understood pretty darn well what I meant.
        vacri 10y ago
        Plenty of stores verify things before selling to you. Mobile phone stores will usually make sure that the thing works with the sim in it before handing it over, and will often transfer stuff across from your other phone for you. Similarly, plenty of higher end stores test things out before they stock them. A simple example is a restaurant with a curated wine list. Likewise, used car dealers will usually give a vehicle the once-over before selling it on. I knew what you were getting at (just like you know what the parent was getting at), but it's not really pedantry to counter a gross oversimplification.
        dogma1138 10y ago
        Are we now comparing brick and mortar retailers to car dealerships and restaurants? A curated wine list is an expert "advice" I don't expect the guy at the sports store to have tested every running shoe on display when I ask for recommendations. Car dealerships that sell used cars are effectively responsible for them they not only test drive each car but they do a complete checkup because it's mandated. As for mobile stores they don't do that to ensure that the phone is working, they do that because they assume most people are too stupid to activate the sim which means they'll come back, and they do a contact/data migration again as a service it has nothing to do with ensuring that the product works. I can step in buy a packaged PAG phone pay and walk out without anyone testing that it works and you very well know this. There is no gross oversimplification the truth of the matter is that like it or not 99% of the products you buy of the shelf are never tested by any retailer that stocks them, are there exceptions? sure but these are again exceptions. I don't expect Gamestop to do curation for me, I don't expect Humble Bundle to do it either. Not to mention that again every game on that list as far as I can tell runs on Linux (including games that he said do not) he doesn't recommend almost any of those games but that's his opinion. Humble does not sell you an experience, it does tell you that the game will run the fact that he tried to run games on a system that does not meet the minimum requirements which are stated on both the Humble Store, the Steam product page and the vendor website is well his fault. And Humble never argued that playing the game on Linux or even installing it will be an easy, pleasant or consistent experience, no Linux experience is truly easy or consistent the ecosystem is fragmented to hell as for pleasant well that's a subjective opinion some people like to have to recompile the kernel to make their wifi cards work some don't. When you buy software there are 2 general expectation 1) is that you have a system that meets the software and hardware requirements and 2) that you are generally capable of operating and managing software on the operating system it runs on. He failed to verify point #1 on quite a few titles, infact I am surprised that some titles that should not work on the Intel GPU actually did run (Intel probably have improved their OpenGL minidriver since then) and 2) understanding that running applications on Linux will required ensuring compatibility with dependencies (which may break other applications) and being familiar with the Linux command line and operating system including compiling packages and managing permissions. I don't fault him at all, and I agree that I would not recommend any of those titles on Linux to anyone who's wants to play, infact if you wish to play games I would not recommend Linux at all not even SteamOS. But that said none of those games are inherently so broken that they will not install or run on Linux if all the hardware and software requirements are met.
- rawfan 10y ago
  Because QA is the service they offer developers who want their games ported. To be fair, though.. the porters DO keep the games updated, especially if someone lets them know there are problems. Most of the games on the list run fine for me (I have nvidia graphics, though).
  - dogma1138 10y ago
    They do advertise very specific Linux software and hardware compatibility and requirements as well as the state of the port in the fine print. Considering how fragmented the Linux ecosystem is there isn't much they can actually do about it.
    - rawfan 10y ago
      They have a testing team that gives their porters (or the in-house porters of the game dev) qualified feedback.
- JabavuAdams 10y ago
  Because it's bad for their reputation? If they can find a way that the cost of QA / rejection is less than the cost of returns, then it's a win. It's not like they need to do detailed QA, just a smoke-test. Does this even run?
  - dogma1138 10y ago
    Virtually all the games on that list run on Linux, the experience isn't really pleasant the install / run process is fragmented and inconsistent just like the Linux ecosystem itself. The games might not be recommended to run on Linux by this blog author but it doesn't mean they do not run. As far as the games the author states will not run at all while I cannot confirm all of the titles on the list I can confirm that 3 are incorrect at the least: Anomaly 2 which the author claims it doesn't run on Linux. Runs on Ubuntu 16.04 just fine it does seem to not support integrated graphics (like many 3D games on Linux) which is pretty darn clearly specified in the Minimum System requirements for Linux even on the Humble Store. Botanicula another game that runs on Linux but requires you to install the Adobe Air Runtime (and a to have Geforce card IIRC) which isn't clear if the author even attempted to do. Dungeon Defenders another game that I can confirm to run on Linux requires again a non integrated card.
- Dylan16807 10y ago
  I expect gamestop to give me games that run or to take a huge PR hit on top of refunding everyone.
reidrac 10y ago
I bought one of the first Humble Bundle and I couldn't make work any of the games. Awful support and unclear (or just wrong) instructions, and because it wasn't that much money and I wanted to support the developers... I let it go. I won't buy another Humble Bundle though.

by pawadu 10y ago

dogma1138 10y ago

Why should Humble Bundle do QA? do you expect gamestop to do QA also? They rely on what the developer/publisher tells them, if they say it runs on Linux Humble Bundle classifies it as a Linux title.

pawadu 10y ago
So HB has zero responsibility for selling stuff that do not work?
jakobegger 10y ago
Because they sell you the game? If you go to a store, buy a lamp, and it doesn't work, can they just say "our supplier said it works"?
- dogma1138 10y ago
  If something doesn't work you can return it in the case of some of the bundles it might be a bit more problematic since you aren't buying a single product but a bundle and you can pay as little as like 0.01$ for it: Not a single store verifies any product to be functional prior to selling it, if you have a problem they'll exchange it or refund you, if they have a problematic product which simply does not work they will usually stop selling it (it's not worth dealing with angry customers) and contact the supplier to figure out what's going on. So I don't know what expectations you have when you go to a store but when I buy a lamp while I do have a general expectation for it to work I don't blame the store for not verifying that it does before selling it to me.
  - vacri 10y ago
    > Not a single store verifies any product to be functional prior to selling it Bullion stores do. Also, stores that also make the product themselves do, from handmade crafts to factory outlets...
    - dogma1138 10y ago
      You are being pedantic without reason you understood pretty darn well what I meant.
      - vacri 10y ago
        Plenty of stores verify things before selling to you. Mobile phone stores will usually make sure that the thing works with the sim in it before handing it over, and will often transfer stuff across from your other phone for you. Similarly, plenty of higher end stores test things out before they stock them. A simple example is a restaurant with a curated wine list. Likewise, used car dealers will usually give a vehicle the once-over before selling it on. I knew what you were getting at (just like you know what the parent was getting at), but it's not really pedantry to counter a gross oversimplification.
        dogma1138 10y ago
        Are we now comparing brick and mortar retailers to car dealerships and restaurants? A curated wine list is an expert "advice" I don't expect the guy at the sports store to have tested every running shoe on display when I ask for recommendations. Car dealerships that sell used cars are effectively responsible for them they not only test drive each car but they do a complete checkup because it's mandated. As for mobile stores they don't do that to ensure that the phone is working, they do that because they assume most people are too stupid to activate the sim which means they'll come back, and they do a contact/data migration again as a service it has nothing to do with ensuring that the product works. I can step in buy a packaged PAG phone pay and walk out without anyone testing that it works and you very well know this. There is no gross oversimplification the truth of the matter is that like it or not 99% of the products you buy of the shelf are never tested by any retailer that stocks them, are there exceptions? sure but these are again exceptions. I don't expect Gamestop to do curation for me, I don't expect Humble Bundle to do it either. Not to mention that again every game on that list as far as I can tell runs on Linux (including games that he said do not) he doesn't recommend almost any of those games but that's his opinion. Humble does not sell you an experience, it does tell you that the game will run the fact that he tried to run games on a system that does not meet the minimum requirements which are stated on both the Humble Store, the Steam product page and the vendor website is well his fault. And Humble never argued that playing the game on Linux or even installing it will be an easy, pleasant or consistent experience, no Linux experience is truly easy or consistent the ecosystem is fragmented to hell as for pleasant well that's a subjective opinion some people like to have to recompile the kernel to make their wifi cards work some don't. When you buy software there are 2 general expectation 1) is that you have a system that meets the software and hardware requirements and 2) that you are generally capable of operating and managing software on the operating system it runs on. He failed to verify point #1 on quite a few titles, infact I am surprised that some titles that should not work on the Intel GPU actually did run (Intel probably have improved their OpenGL minidriver since then) and 2) understanding that running applications on Linux will required ensuring compatibility with dependencies (which may break other applications) and being familiar with the Linux command line and operating system including compiling packages and managing permissions. I don't fault him at all, and I agree that I would not recommend any of those titles on Linux to anyone who's wants to play, infact if you wish to play games I would not recommend Linux at all not even SteamOS. But that said none of those games are inherently so broken that they will not install or run on Linux if all the hardware and software requirements are met.
rawfan 10y ago
Because QA is the service they offer developers who want their games ported. To be fair, though.. the porters DO keep the games updated, especially if someone lets them know there are problems. Most of the games on the list run fine for me (I have nvidia graphics, though).
- dogma1138 10y ago
  They do advertise very specific Linux software and hardware compatibility and requirements as well as the state of the port in the fine print. Considering how fragmented the Linux ecosystem is there isn't much they can actually do about it.
  - rawfan 10y ago
    They have a testing team that gives their porters (or the in-house porters of the game dev) qualified feedback.
JabavuAdams 10y ago
Because it's bad for their reputation? If they can find a way that the cost of QA / rejection is less than the cost of returns, then it's a win. It's not like they need to do detailed QA, just a smoke-test. Does this even run?
- dogma1138 10y ago
  Virtually all the games on that list run on Linux, the experience isn't really pleasant the install / run process is fragmented and inconsistent just like the Linux ecosystem itself. The games might not be recommended to run on Linux by this blog author but it doesn't mean they do not run. As far as the games the author states will not run at all while I cannot confirm all of the titles on the list I can confirm that 3 are incorrect at the least: Anomaly 2 which the author claims it doesn't run on Linux. Runs on Ubuntu 16.04 just fine it does seem to not support integrated graphics (like many 3D games on Linux) which is pretty darn clearly specified in the Minimum System requirements for Linux even on the Humble Store. Botanicula another game that runs on Linux but requires you to install the Adobe Air Runtime (and a to have Geforce card IIRC) which isn't clear if the author even attempted to do. Dungeon Defenders another game that I can confirm to run on Linux requires again a non integrated card.
Dylan16807 10y ago
I expect gamestop to give me games that run or to take a huge PR hit on top of refunding everyone.

reidrac 10y ago

I bought one of the first Humble Bundle and I couldn't make work any of the games. Awful support and unclear (or just wrong) instructions, and because it wasn't that much money and I wanted to support the developers... I let it go. I won't buy another Humble Bundle though.