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Facebook gets Moxie to do end to end encryption on whatsapp. Google haven't done something similar. American public servants hate end to end encryption

by harry8 10y ago

Facebook gets Moxie to do end to end encryption on whatsapp. Google haven't done something similar. American public servants hate end to end encryption because they want to spy on everything. IRS makes this claim against facebook but not a similar one for google. Google and Facebook both aggressively minimize taxes with various offshore schemes. Are these events as totally and wholly unrelated as they should be? What do people think around here?

stygiansonic 10y ago
Didn't Google also partner with Open Whisper/Moxie on E2E encryption for their new Allo chat app? [0] 0. https://whispersystems.org/blog/allo/ https://whispersystems.org/blog/allo/
zitterbewegung 10y ago
I don't think you have been paying attention to a bunch of major companies using techniques like Facebook to avoid taxes. [1] Basically all of these companies do this to avoid double taxation [2] . I think the US government should discourage this tax avoidance and the way it could do that is either reforming the tax code or going after companies that do this. 1. http://visualeconomics.creditloan.com/double-irish-deception-how-google-apple-facebook-avoid-paying-taxes/ http://visualeconomics.creditloan.com/double-irish-deception... 2. http://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/double_taxation.asp http://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/double_taxation.asp
TACIXAT 10y ago
There is a lack of any evidence showing that those events are related.
a13n 10y ago
Seems a bit paranoid. I also think you're giving too much credit to the government by thinking they're able to competently coordinate this across major agencies (IRS + NSA).
- nostromo 10y ago
  The IRS absolutely does work with the FBI, CIA and NSA. This isn't a secret. But I agree this isn't about encryption.
  - JumpCrisscross 10y ago
    > the IRS absolutely does work with the FBI, CIA and NSA. This isn't a secret Source?
    - nostromo 10y ago
      https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/08/dea-and-nsa-team-intelligence-laundering https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/08/dea-and-nsa-team-intel... http://www.reuters.com/article/us-dea-sod-idUSBRE97409R20130805 http://www.reuters.com/article/us-dea-sod-idUSBRE97409R20130...
matt4077 10y ago
Yes, yes, they are. Contrary to popular believe, both corporations as well as the US government are neither vast conspiracies nor petty children seeking revenge.

by harry8 10y ago

stygiansonic 10y ago

Didn't Google also partner with Open Whisper/Moxie on E2E encryption for their new Allo chat app? [0] 0. https://whispersystems.org/blog/allo/ https://whispersystems.org/blog/allo/

zitterbewegung 10y ago

I don't think you have been paying attention to a bunch of major companies using techniques like Facebook to avoid taxes. [1] Basically all of these companies do this to avoid double taxation [2] . I think the US government should discourage this tax avoidance and the way it could do that is either reforming the tax code or going after companies that do this. 1. http://visualeconomics.creditloan.com/double-irish-deception-how-google-apple-facebook-avoid-paying-taxes/ http://visualeconomics.creditloan.com/double-irish-deception... 2. http://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/double_taxation.asp http://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/double_taxation.asp

TACIXAT 10y ago

There is a lack of any evidence showing that those events are related.

a13n 10y ago

Seems a bit paranoid. I also think you're giving too much credit to the government by thinking they're able to competently coordinate this across major agencies (IRS + NSA).

nostromo 10y ago
The IRS absolutely does work with the FBI, CIA and NSA. This isn't a secret. But I agree this isn't about encryption.
- JumpCrisscross 10y ago
  > the IRS absolutely does work with the FBI, CIA and NSA. This isn't a secret Source?
  - nostromo 10y ago
    https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/08/dea-and-nsa-team-intelligence-laundering https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/08/dea-and-nsa-team-intel... http://www.reuters.com/article/us-dea-sod-idUSBRE97409R20130805 http://www.reuters.com/article/us-dea-sod-idUSBRE97409R20130...

matt4077 10y ago

Yes, yes, they are. Contrary to popular believe, both corporations as well as the US government are neither vast conspiracies nor petty children seeking revenge.