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(Living and working in Berlin for 2 years now) Also while salaries are relatively low, an experienced engineer and still earn 60k+ which is decent money becaus
by kayoone 10y ago
(Living and working in Berlin for 2 years now)
Also while salaries are relatively low, an experienced engineer and still earn 60k+ which is decent money because the city is still quite cheap. Many other startup jobs are paid pretty poorly though.
- Cenk 10y agoNumbeo agrees: Consumer Prices in Berlin are 30.83% lower than in San Francisco, CA Consumer Prices Including Rent in Berlin are 56.36% lower than in San Francisco, CA Rent Prices in Berlin are 78.16% lower than in San Francisco, CA Restaurant Prices in Berlin are 36.88% lower than in San Francisco, CA Groceries Prices in Berlin are 49.39% lower than in San Francisco, CA Local Purchasing Power in Berlin is 16.50% higher than in San Francisco, CA (http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=United+States&city1=San+Francisco%2C+CA&country2=Germany&city2=Berlin http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?coun...)
- raverbashing 10y agoJust to put a hard number, if you're paying 1000EUR per month on an apartment you're probably paying too much (and it's going to be a big place in Mitte for example)
- sneak 10y agoYour information is out of date by 2-3 years.
- raverbashing 10y agoPossibly I just checked Immoscout24 and though the average is higher it seems you still can find stuff around 1000EUR (of course there's pricier options if you want)
- ido 10y agoGood luck getting those though, the competition is fierce (all the good apartments get 30+ applicants showing, sometimes 50+). For a 3 room (2 bedroom) apartment of around 90m^2 (hardly what I would call big for a family) you will pay around 1000 net (kaltmiete) for a place outside the Ringbahn in Tempelhof/Stieglitz/Schöneberg/etc. In Mitte prices will be a higher (although there are still shittier areas near Wedding where prices might actually be lower in Mitte).
- raverbashing 10y agoSchöneberg is inside the Ringbahn
- ido 10y agoNot entirely. I was talking about the bit between tempelhof and steglitz that's just south of the ring.
- raverbashing 10y agoJust checked on Google Maps and it seems you're right (though the habitable area is small) Another surprising discovery is that KaDeWe is in Schöneberg as well
- expertentipp 10y agolots of scam and dead ads
- plzbo 10y agoYou could also try a shared flat (WG). I'm paying 320€ per month (Warmmiete) in Wedding. It might not be the coolest place in town, but it has certainly more bars and nightlife than Mitte. Also its about 10-15min into Mitte by bike or public transport.
- raverbashing 10y ago
- camillomiller 10y agoIt's not. 1000-1100 is still the sweet spot for leveling up the kind of place you're renting. From that price up the raise hasn't been as steep as for lower rents in the last few years.
- aianus 10y agoBut it sounds like salaries are 50% lower... Also car costs are conveniently missing from that list.
- ido 10y agoYou require no car if you live in Berlin (I've lived here for the past 3 years, and I have a family inc. small children).
- SyneRyder 10y agoI don't think car costs would be hugely relevant for Berlin, every time I've visited Berlin the U-Bahn / S-Bahn has got me everywhere I wanted to go. Though I can't imagine using a car in SF either - perhaps a BART/Uber vs U-Bahn comparison would be appropriate.
- Cenk 10y agoThe link does include car costs, it cites them as 10% lower than in SF. Gas prices are 77% higher though.
- drinchev 10y agoWell I would say that there is huge lack of talent because the salaries are ~ 60k. Funny how everything is "average" and you can negotiate ~10% more but that's usually it. Btw, if you google "senior developer salary berlin", you will get `Berlin earns an average salary of €57,355 per year`. [1] 1 : https://www.google.de/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=senior+developer+salary+berlin https://www.google.de/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&es...
- rubber_duck 10y agoWhat's that number after the income tax ?
- distances 10y agoIncome tax including the compulsory health insurance, pension payments etc. is around 42%-45% for income of 50k-60k.
- kevindong 10y agoThat's actually not _that_ bad, if true. Depending on how generous the pension is, that might actually be quite low. I was expecting the tax rate to be much higher.
- e12e 10y agoMuch higher? Most of Europe has income tax in this range (generally lower on the lower end of the earning scale) AFAIK. Eg. I'm currently paying around 30% income tax in Norway (but that'll probably ease up towards 40% as I move into a more reasonable income bracket - and one needs to remember 25% VAT here - I'm guessing it amounts to another 5%-10% points added on top of the income tax). This includes free health care, free education from primary school through college, subsidized pre-school etc. Even in states like Texas, AFAIK one doesn't typically come out much ahead in terms of taxes in the US - and in general get very little in return.
- kybernetyk 10y agoThat's only the direct tax on income. Don't forget VAT, high petrol taxes, high electricity taxes. I'd say your total tax rate is somewhere around 70% if you take all that into account. Also the pensions aren't something to write home about really. (There's already politicians starting to talk that everyone should get a standard pension - no matter how much they paid into the system. Give it a few decades and we might arrive there).
- rubber_duck 10y ago