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That's such an easily solvable problem that I wonder why people even bring it up. Just distribute all the extra profit from the water sales equally among the po
by Houshalter 10y ago
That's such an easily solvable problem that I wonder why people even bring it up. Just distribute all the extra profit from the water sales equally among the population. The poor will get a check more than large enough to pay for the increased cost of water.
Alternatively you could just subsidize water use up to some threshold and then charge more for every additional gallon.
- pbhjpbhj 10y agoYour first solution sound like it would just inflate prices. Your second doesn't appear to account for any cost increases except for directly used water. This approach seems rather over-simplistic.
- Houshalter 10y agoThe first plan only inflates the price of water, but makes up for it. It's exactly equivalent to letting everyone have an equal share of the water, and letting them decide to use it or sell it.
- DefaultUserHN 10y agoBut everyone can't have an equal share of water, because there is already not enough water to go around in the first place. Unless you mean everyone will get only one cup of water. But then, the farmer will be fucked, because one cup of water is not enough to farm. And if the farmers can't farm, then you'll have another set of problems on your hand: NOT ENOUGH FOOD.
- Houshalter 10y agoThat's just nonsense. There is more than enough water for everyone's basic needs and then some. The problem is people using excessive water on their lawns, agriculture, or industry. And to some extent toilets, showers, and cleaning, which are all nice but could be reduced or cut in a crisis. If a rich person wants to buy extra water to use on their lawn, they can. But they need to find someone willing to sell it, and offer them enough money to make it worth it. If it really gets to the point there is only 1 cup of water per person per day, well then so be it. Everyone gets exactly 1 cup of water. That's perfectly fair. What's not fair is giving 1.5 cups to one person and 0.5 cups to another. Just because they are rich or a farmer or whatever. Such a situation would create huge economic incentives to find more water, to conserve existing water, to reuse waste water, etc. The point is to get the benefits from a free market with incentives, but to distribute the benefits equally among the population.
- DefaultUserHN 10y agoI agree with the free market part. I disagree with the equal redistribution part.
- freyr 10y ago> That's such an easily solvable problem that I wonder why people even bring it up. Edit: initially, I didn't think your first plan works, but then I realized people need water to survive. You can charge anyone an arbitrary amount if the alternative is death by dehydration.
- vmateixeira 10y agoI think he has a point if water market didn't need to generate profit for a private company.
- RobertKerans 10y agoSo then you get to have all the fun issues surrounding nationalised utilities ! (nb I personally feel there are some things that should be public goods, water being one of them, but saying it's a simple solution is naïve)
- Houshalter 10y agoThe water can be nationalized. But the government still needs to put a price on it to prevent overuse. If the price is higher than the operating costs of the water system, then they have profit they can redistribute to the people.
- RobertKerans 10y agoMetering water seems reasonable but there are upfront costs to more widespread adoption (financial + political/social) + a bureaucratic layer (with all the associated complexity/corruption issues) that would need to be implemented for metering plus nationalisation, so while I'm [quite possibly naïvely] personally in favour, it opens a very large can of worms.