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It's tempting to make parallels with 1930s Germany, but that was just such a unique situation. These are usually "all unhappy families are different" situations

It's tempting to make parallels with 1930s Germany, but that was just such a unique situation. These are usually "all unhappy families are different" situations.

e12e 10y ago
I think the parallel is pretty close to the Reichstags fire - apparently it is (still) disputed if it were orchestrated by the nazis themselves or not - either way it opened the door to dictatorship. Much as there's been no credible evidence about the who or why of the coup -- it's clear it's being used as an excuse to tighten the iron grip.
- bogomipz 10y ago
  If you believe that the coup was staged then yes.
  - e12e 10y ago
    Either way. Even if the Reichstags fire was indeed the work of a single man - and not orchestrated - the Nazi party used it for what it was worth. Similarly with this coup; if it wasn't staged, it still seems clear that Edrogan is using it for what it's worth in order to usher in/cement his dictator powers?
    - bogomipz 10y ago
      Indeed. I completely agree.
    - ArkyBeagle 10y ago
      It's pretty clear that Erdogan has been moved closer to being - metaphorically - a "mob boss" than what we consider an "elected official" in the US ( assume a sort of spectrum between those). Your thinking changes when you deal with the possibility of assassination. Guys like Putin can't simply resign; they'll probably be hunted down and killed if they leave power. They're riding the tiger. The general pattern in the Arab Spring has been to assassinate people like Q'daffi - who remind me more of the heads of crime families than political leaders. But here I sit in the US, where we can afford to have ... separation of concern for those roles. And to an extent, the meritocratic myth even in the US is just that - a myth. It's not like we don't have a presidential pretender running on the idea that it doesn't really work. I can't imagine a modern politician actively embracing Sharia for any reason other than simply wanting to stay in power.
bogomipz 10y ago
I totally agree and I didn't mean in the literal sense but rather in the sense of its immediacy and fervor. It probably wasn't the best historical comparison.

It's tempting to make parallels with 1930s Germany, but that was just such a unique situation. These are usually "all unhappy families are different" situations.

e12e 10y ago

I think the parallel is pretty close to the Reichstags fire - apparently it is (still) disputed if it were orchestrated by the nazis themselves or not - either way it opened the door to dictatorship. Much as there's been no credible evidence about the who or why of the coup -- it's clear it's being used as an excuse to tighten the iron grip.

bogomipz 10y ago
If you believe that the coup was staged then yes.
- e12e 10y ago
  Either way. Even if the Reichstags fire was indeed the work of a single man - and not orchestrated - the Nazi party used it for what it was worth. Similarly with this coup; if it wasn't staged, it still seems clear that Edrogan is using it for what it's worth in order to usher in/cement his dictator powers?
  - bogomipz 10y ago
    Indeed. I completely agree.
  - ArkyBeagle 10y ago
    It's pretty clear that Erdogan has been moved closer to being - metaphorically - a "mob boss" than what we consider an "elected official" in the US ( assume a sort of spectrum between those). Your thinking changes when you deal with the possibility of assassination. Guys like Putin can't simply resign; they'll probably be hunted down and killed if they leave power. They're riding the tiger. The general pattern in the Arab Spring has been to assassinate people like Q'daffi - who remind me more of the heads of crime families than political leaders. But here I sit in the US, where we can afford to have ... separation of concern for those roles. And to an extent, the meritocratic myth even in the US is just that - a myth. It's not like we don't have a presidential pretender running on the idea that it doesn't really work. I can't imagine a modern politician actively embracing Sharia for any reason other than simply wanting to stay in power.

bogomipz 10y ago

I totally agree and I didn't mean in the literal sense but rather in the sense of its immediacy and fervor. It probably wasn't the best historical comparison.