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I kind of agree. I have no stats for this, but my impression is that neither Android nor iPhone users are really happy with their devices, they just tolerate th

I kind of agree. I have no stats for this, but my impression is that neither Android nor iPhone users are really happy with their devices, they just tolerate them. That sounds like a ripe market for a disruptor.

dredmorbius 10y ago
I can confirm I'm raging on my Android tablet, its OS, apps, lockdown, and fully integrated surveillance. Apple's IOS is worse in most regards.
argonaut 10y ago
I'm very happy with my iPhone. I'm certain most iPhone users are happy with theirs.
Oletros 10y ago
I'm very happy with my Android devices and I was very happy with my iOS device
Xiol 10y ago
Happy with my Android phone. Have an iPhone for work and it's terrible. I honestly don't know why they're so popular. The UI/UX is atrocious.
- szatkus 10y ago
  I know how you feel. Apple design their UX for majority. I worked on MacOS for a few weeks and it was nightmare. Like someone removed most of features that was useful to me and added a lot of garbage.
- pmontra 10y ago
  Not sure if it is atrocious but not having a back key in the OS is really a pain in the a... I have to learn how to go back from every single page every time a friend gives me an iPhone to perform some task. Everything else is more or less the same with every new software system: you have to discover how to do things and there is no easy way out of that. Example: I remember I had problems finding how to send SMS on an iPhone in 2012: the owner was driving and I had to answer one.
- jeromenerf 10y ago
  I have the exact opposite reaction. I find android lacking in many ways, even though i sorely miss killer apps, such as termux, and the general openess on ios. Being a 90% linux vs 10% macos kind of guy, it feels a bit weird to promote the ios UX, but I guess it emphasizes the fact that people might be inconsistent in their likings, hence the need for choice.
bendiksolheim 10y ago
I think that impression might be quite subjective – my impression is the exact opposite. I don't have any numbers either, but most people I know, both Android users and iOS users, are quite happy with their devices. They do of course have minor issues, but that will almost always be the case with something targeting such a broad audience. I am not sure how I could be more happy with my device. Right now it mostly does what I want it to do, the battery lasts a couple of days, and it rarely bugs out. edited: changed "really" to "more" in the second paragraph.
- Swizec 10y ago
  How about a smaller (but not thinner) phone that is strong enough to act as a laptop when hooked up to monitor/keyboard/mouse? That would be cool. Give me a 3GHz i7 quadcore with 500gb ssd that I can also put in my pocket and have the battery last 2 days. Always having 2 or 3 expensive computers on my person seems dumb.
- michaelt 10y ago
  I am not sure how I could be more happy with my device. Depends what you think the best possible device is. My phone meets my expectations for a smartphone. If you think phones will replace PCs for everyday office work, I'd say it falls quite a way short.
- CaptSpify 10y ago
  > I think that impression might be quite subjective Agreed, that's why I have the caveat
- mruniverse 10y ago
  "battery lasts a couple of days..." I think we're conditioned to have a low bar. I want something that lasts a long as that $20 feature phone that I can pickup near the checkout line at Fry's. I want it to be $20. I want to be able to drop it repeatedly. I read somewhere that given Apple's design esthetic, the iPhone will evolve to a slab of glass. It would look like a piece of art. Sounds right. Something with no holes. You can submerge in water. Screen would be all around, front, back, sides.
vardump 10y ago
I think current high end devices are pretty good. Both Android and iOS. Especially for "ordinary" users. There's a lot of room for improvement for power users, though. Here's what I'd love to have as a developer / power user. 1) Even better multitasking. Like ability to leave something running when I lock the device -- even at cost of battery life. More control, please. 2) Browsers could still get better too. Apple and Google should take a look how Opera Mobile removes need for horizontal scrolling while zooming. 3) Maybe some input device innovation could be done. Touch is nice, but it's not perfect. More precision would be often useful, but without clumsy stylus and such. Voice controls could be improved as well. 4a) For Android, updating and support issue needs to be solved. Apple seems to typically support its devices long enough for this not to be a real issue. It's unacceptable to just drop support after 1-3 years. There should be a clean industry standard way to install a new operating system. Failing that, vendors should for the very least offer an extended paid OS update service past the usual 2-3 year support period. 4b) For iOS, I'd really want more control of the device without need for insecure jailbreak. This is the main factor that keeps me using Android for now. I want to have completely free access to my files. I want to be able to execute dynamically generated code (even if it's running in a sandbox or needs to pass a validator of some sort). I want more control over how the UI works. Etc. Insecure or confusing for non-technical users? Put it behind a switch "advanced mode".
- csydas 10y ago
  > 4b) For iOS, I'd really want more control of the device without need for insecure jailbreak. This is the main factor that keeps me using Android for now. I want to have completely free access to my files. I want to be able to execute dynamically generated code (even if it's running in a sandbox or needs to pass a validator of some sort). I want more control over how the UI works. Etc. Insecure or confusing for non-technical users? Put it behind a switch "advanced mode". What I'd really like is for Apple to do the jailbreak patching on old releases and allow roll-backs. I do like iOS and iPhones, but taking my 4s up to iOS 9 after having AT&T unlock it resulted in a major performance hit. They have improved it, but it's not the way it used to be, and same with space considerations. I'm fine with the OS having to eat up a lot of space but right now Apple is in a transitional stage for iphones and iOS where legacy hardware can still run iOS9; the 8 gig phones just have almost no room on them with the dump space used that you can't manually clean on stock iOS. Basically, I'm fine with updating, but I'd like to know I can decide to go back if my real world usage is not acceptable. Apple's legacy support is great and I do like that they include the option, but I'd like to be able to decide "not for me".
perseusprime11 10y ago
You are right. Most smartphone users are not happy with their cameras and battery life. Innovation has kind of stopped in these areas for both iPhone and Android.
rimantas 10y ago
iPhone users are very happy.
georgeecollins 10y ago
Nobody was happy with desktop OSes thirty years ago, but it was still impossible to get them to switch to something better because of ecosystem of applications and hardware. The same is probably true of phones today, although maybe the internet/ cloud makes users less locked in.

dredmorbius 10y ago

I can confirm I'm raging on my Android tablet, its OS, apps, lockdown, and fully integrated surveillance. Apple's IOS is worse in most regards.

argonaut 10y ago

I'm very happy with my iPhone. I'm certain most iPhone users are happy with theirs.

Oletros 10y ago

I'm very happy with my Android devices and I was very happy with my iOS device

Xiol 10y ago

Happy with my Android phone. Have an iPhone for work and it's terrible. I honestly don't know why they're so popular. The UI/UX is atrocious.

szatkus 10y ago
I know how you feel. Apple design their UX for majority. I worked on MacOS for a few weeks and it was nightmare. Like someone removed most of features that was useful to me and added a lot of garbage.
pmontra 10y ago
Not sure if it is atrocious but not having a back key in the OS is really a pain in the a... I have to learn how to go back from every single page every time a friend gives me an iPhone to perform some task. Everything else is more or less the same with every new software system: you have to discover how to do things and there is no easy way out of that. Example: I remember I had problems finding how to send SMS on an iPhone in 2012: the owner was driving and I had to answer one.
jeromenerf 10y ago
I have the exact opposite reaction. I find android lacking in many ways, even though i sorely miss killer apps, such as termux, and the general openess on ios. Being a 90% linux vs 10% macos kind of guy, it feels a bit weird to promote the ios UX, but I guess it emphasizes the fact that people might be inconsistent in their likings, hence the need for choice.

bendiksolheim 10y ago

I think that impression might be quite subjective – my impression is the exact opposite. I don't have any numbers either, but most people I know, both Android users and iOS users, are quite happy with their devices. They do of course have minor issues, but that will almost always be the case with something targeting such a broad audience. I am not sure how I could be more happy with my device. Right now it mostly does what I want it to do, the battery lasts a couple of days, and it rarely bugs out. edited: changed "really" to "more" in the second paragraph.

Swizec 10y ago
How about a smaller (but not thinner) phone that is strong enough to act as a laptop when hooked up to monitor/keyboard/mouse? That would be cool. Give me a 3GHz i7 quadcore with 500gb ssd that I can also put in my pocket and have the battery last 2 days. Always having 2 or 3 expensive computers on my person seems dumb.
michaelt 10y ago
I am not sure how I could be more happy with my device. Depends what you think the best possible device is. My phone meets my expectations for a smartphone. If you think phones will replace PCs for everyday office work, I'd say it falls quite a way short.
CaptSpify 10y ago
> I think that impression might be quite subjective Agreed, that's why I have the caveat
mruniverse 10y ago
"battery lasts a couple of days..." I think we're conditioned to have a low bar. I want something that lasts a long as that $20 feature phone that I can pickup near the checkout line at Fry's. I want it to be $20. I want to be able to drop it repeatedly. I read somewhere that given Apple's design esthetic, the iPhone will evolve to a slab of glass. It would look like a piece of art. Sounds right. Something with no holes. You can submerge in water. Screen would be all around, front, back, sides.

vardump 10y ago

I think current high end devices are pretty good. Both Android and iOS. Especially for "ordinary" users. There's a lot of room for improvement for power users, though. Here's what I'd love to have as a developer / power user. 1) Even better multitasking. Like ability to leave something running when I lock the device -- even at cost of battery life. More control, please. 2) Browsers could still get better too. Apple and Google should take a look how Opera Mobile removes need for horizontal scrolling while zooming. 3) Maybe some input device innovation could be done. Touch is nice, but it's not perfect. More precision would be often useful, but without clumsy stylus and such. Voice controls could be improved as well. 4a) For Android, updating and support issue needs to be solved. Apple seems to typically support its devices long enough for this not to be a real issue. It's unacceptable to just drop support after 1-3 years. There should be a clean industry standard way to install a new operating system. Failing that, vendors should for the very least offer an extended paid OS update service past the usual 2-3 year support period. 4b) For iOS, I'd really want more control of the device without need for insecure jailbreak. This is the main factor that keeps me using Android for now. I want to have completely free access to my files. I want to be able to execute dynamically generated code (even if it's running in a sandbox or needs to pass a validator of some sort). I want more control over how the UI works. Etc. Insecure or confusing for non-technical users? Put it behind a switch "advanced mode".

csydas 10y ago
> 4b) For iOS, I'd really want more control of the device without need for insecure jailbreak. This is the main factor that keeps me using Android for now. I want to have completely free access to my files. I want to be able to execute dynamically generated code (even if it's running in a sandbox or needs to pass a validator of some sort). I want more control over how the UI works. Etc. Insecure or confusing for non-technical users? Put it behind a switch "advanced mode". What I'd really like is for Apple to do the jailbreak patching on old releases and allow roll-backs. I do like iOS and iPhones, but taking my 4s up to iOS 9 after having AT&T unlock it resulted in a major performance hit. They have improved it, but it's not the way it used to be, and same with space considerations. I'm fine with the OS having to eat up a lot of space but right now Apple is in a transitional stage for iphones and iOS where legacy hardware can still run iOS9; the 8 gig phones just have almost no room on them with the dump space used that you can't manually clean on stock iOS. Basically, I'm fine with updating, but I'd like to know I can decide to go back if my real world usage is not acceptable. Apple's legacy support is great and I do like that they include the option, but I'd like to be able to decide "not for me".

perseusprime11 10y ago

You are right. Most smartphone users are not happy with their cameras and battery life. Innovation has kind of stopped in these areas for both iPhone and Android.

rimantas 10y ago

iPhone users are very happy.

georgeecollins 10y ago

Nobody was happy with desktop OSes thirty years ago, but it was still impossible to get them to switch to something better because of ecosystem of applications and hardware. The same is probably true of phones today, although maybe the internet/ cloud makes users less locked in.