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AWS still has no native IPv6 support. It's sad really. It's pointless for a project like LE to make IPv6 a first-priority feature when massive providers running

AWS still has no native IPv6 support. It's sad really. It's pointless for a project like LE to make IPv6 a first-priority feature when massive providers running the backbone of the internet don't support IPv6 without a ton of fiddling-around.

mordocai 10y ago
This is 100% why my site is not ipv6
chatmasta 10y ago
It's not in AWS business interest to support IPv6. As long as they only support IPv4, they need to own an address for every VM in their cloud. As they grow, they purchase more addresses, shrinking the pool of available IPv4 on the secondary market, increasing the price for their competitors. This makes it more expensive to compete with AWS on a large scale if you want to support IPv4.
- IgorPartola 10y ago
  Sorry, but I don't see it. While they are busy buying up IPv4 addresses, I'll just be over here moving everything to IPv6 only and not have to care about any of that.
  - api 10y ago
    Until almost the entire Internet has IPv6 at the endpoint, you're making your stuff unreachable to most people. You will still need an IPv4 gateway. I have IPv6 at home now but still don't have it at our tech-oriented co-working space, and I've never seen an IPv6 address get handed out at a coffee shop, airport, restaurant, etc.
    - IgorPartola 10y ago
      An IPv4 endpoint is fine and for some situations way cheaper than having every single host be assigned a public IPv4 address. I am not saying that we are there yet, but I can't see a situation where Amazon putting pressure on the market by buying every available IPv4 address resulting in a response of "Let's give all our money to AWS" and not "let's finally make IPv6 happen."
      - chatmasta 10y ago
        Good point, but the problem is that the companies responsible for "making IPv6 happen" are not necessarily the same companies who want to compete with Amazon. There's very little incentive for ISPs to roll out IPv6, especially when the biggest cloud providers don't support it. It's a bit of a catch 22.
  - chatmasta 10y ago
    Yeah, what about the hundreds of carriers that don't yet support IPv6?
    - drdaeman 10y ago
      Don't we have, for example, a Teredo client baked in into every relatively recent Microsoft OS? My ISP doesn't support IPv6, but I've just checked and a Windows 10 machine was able to do `curl -6 https://ipv6.google.com/` https://ipv6.google.com/` just fine. And I think I've heard OS X has something as well... not sure, don't have OS X or iOS devices at hand to try it out. (On GNU/Linux and BSD machines there's a lot of choices, Miredo, 6to4, AICCU from SixXS - whatever one fancies. As usual on *nix systems, setup is manual, though.)
      - deathanatos 10y ago
        And it works out of the box? Doesn't Teredo necessitate using a relay (someone to translate to native IPv6) – does MS just have one set up somewhere, and preconfigured?
        drdaeman 10y ago
        Yes, out-of-box. Haven't ever did anything IPv6-related by myself on that machine.
      - mabcat 10y ago
        That curl command doesn't connect on my OSX El Capitan.
    - mgbmtl 10y ago
      > Yeah, what about the hundreds of carriers that don't yet support IPv6? That's like focusing on supporting Internet Explorer 8. At some point IPv4 will become the legacy protocol and supporting it will be annoying and expensive. That day maybe not be today, but switching protocols is not always trivial, and you should start yesterday.
api 10y ago
Nearly all the "second tier" clouds support IPv6: Digital Ocean, Vultr, Linode, SoftLayer, etc. AWS's services are great but many people just need compute. I don't understand why people who just need compute use AWS, since for compute only Digital Ocean and Vultr destroy it in virtually every way: ease of use, performance, cost, IPv6, etc. Digital Ocean now has block storage too, which plugs one hole. Of course they don't have things like RedShift or S3, but like I said not everyone needs that.
- DanielDent 10y ago
  DO's v6 needs work. They block port 25, and they don't even assign an entire /64 to a machine, which breaks SLAAC and whole bunch of useful ways of using v6.
tomjen3 10y ago
My ISP doesn't even seem to give me one, which is kind of annoying since I would love to be able to have direct access (through something secure) to all my computers, especially my NAS, no matter where I am. Without a lot of customers on ipv6, why would they support ipv6 on the servers?
- kalleboo 10y ago
  My ISP offers it, but you have to buy a special $100 IPv6 PPPoE device and stick it between your IPv4 NAT router and your WiFi router...

mordocai 10y ago

This is 100% why my site is not ipv6

chatmasta 10y ago

It's not in AWS business interest to support IPv6. As long as they only support IPv4, they need to own an address for every VM in their cloud. As they grow, they purchase more addresses, shrinking the pool of available IPv4 on the secondary market, increasing the price for their competitors. This makes it more expensive to compete with AWS on a large scale if you want to support IPv4.

IgorPartola 10y ago
Sorry, but I don't see it. While they are busy buying up IPv4 addresses, I'll just be over here moving everything to IPv6 only and not have to care about any of that.
- api 10y ago
  Until almost the entire Internet has IPv6 at the endpoint, you're making your stuff unreachable to most people. You will still need an IPv4 gateway. I have IPv6 at home now but still don't have it at our tech-oriented co-working space, and I've never seen an IPv6 address get handed out at a coffee shop, airport, restaurant, etc.
  - IgorPartola 10y ago
    An IPv4 endpoint is fine and for some situations way cheaper than having every single host be assigned a public IPv4 address. I am not saying that we are there yet, but I can't see a situation where Amazon putting pressure on the market by buying every available IPv4 address resulting in a response of "Let's give all our money to AWS" and not "let's finally make IPv6 happen."
    - chatmasta 10y ago
      Good point, but the problem is that the companies responsible for "making IPv6 happen" are not necessarily the same companies who want to compete with Amazon. There's very little incentive for ISPs to roll out IPv6, especially when the biggest cloud providers don't support it. It's a bit of a catch 22.
- chatmasta 10y ago
  Yeah, what about the hundreds of carriers that don't yet support IPv6?
  - drdaeman 10y ago
    Don't we have, for example, a Teredo client baked in into every relatively recent Microsoft OS? My ISP doesn't support IPv6, but I've just checked and a Windows 10 machine was able to do `curl -6 https://ipv6.google.com/` https://ipv6.google.com/` just fine. And I think I've heard OS X has something as well... not sure, don't have OS X or iOS devices at hand to try it out. (On GNU/Linux and BSD machines there's a lot of choices, Miredo, 6to4, AICCU from SixXS - whatever one fancies. As usual on *nix systems, setup is manual, though.)
    - deathanatos 10y ago
      And it works out of the box? Doesn't Teredo necessitate using a relay (someone to translate to native IPv6) – does MS just have one set up somewhere, and preconfigured?
      - drdaeman 10y ago
        Yes, out-of-box. Haven't ever did anything IPv6-related by myself on that machine.
    - mabcat 10y ago
      That curl command doesn't connect on my OSX El Capitan.
  - mgbmtl 10y ago
    > Yeah, what about the hundreds of carriers that don't yet support IPv6? That's like focusing on supporting Internet Explorer 8. At some point IPv4 will become the legacy protocol and supporting it will be annoying and expensive. That day maybe not be today, but switching protocols is not always trivial, and you should start yesterday.

api 10y ago

Nearly all the "second tier" clouds support IPv6: Digital Ocean, Vultr, Linode, SoftLayer, etc. AWS's services are great but many people just need compute. I don't understand why people who just need compute use AWS, since for compute only Digital Ocean and Vultr destroy it in virtually every way: ease of use, performance, cost, IPv6, etc. Digital Ocean now has block storage too, which plugs one hole. Of course they don't have things like RedShift or S3, but like I said not everyone needs that.

DanielDent 10y ago
DO's v6 needs work. They block port 25, and they don't even assign an entire /64 to a machine, which breaks SLAAC and whole bunch of useful ways of using v6.

tomjen3 10y ago

My ISP doesn't even seem to give me one, which is kind of annoying since I would love to be able to have direct access (through something secure) to all my computers, especially my NAS, no matter where I am. Without a lot of customers on ipv6, why would they support ipv6 on the servers?

kalleboo 10y ago
My ISP offers it, but you have to buy a special $100 IPv6 PPPoE device and stick it between your IPv4 NAT router and your WiFi router...