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The question is whether it's a right they should exercise on so little information.

dudul 10y ago
Well, then we should maybe change the rules of elections. Maybe before people are allowed to vote they should take a test to make sure they know what they are doing. Or we can simplify and say that you need a master's degree to be allowed to vote, organizing the test may be too involved. Also, maybe old people should not be allowed to vote since they're gonna die soon anyway, what do they care? Also, maybe only land owners should be allowed to vote, after all, if you don't own land maybe you're not really part of the destiny of the country. Also, maybe you should have been a citizen for at least 10 years to be allowed to vote, to make sure you've had time to integrate the values of your new country. How about we stop assuming that just because things didn't play out the way the elites wanted them to it must mean that people are stupid, racist, uneducated? I can only imagine the reactions if the "remain" had won, and we were now talking about the UK leaving anyway.
tomp 10y ago
What do you mean, little information?! There's plenty of information on how bad EU is (occupation of Greece, austerity, one country deciding to invite millions of migrants then forcing others to help them, wasting money supporting 2 parliaments, "unelected" leaders, the failure that is Euro, ...).
- Daishiman 10y ago
  You're not really proving that these, or worse, things wouldn't happen without a EU. Structural economic issues that span a whole continent happen regardless of whether it's in a single coordinated economic bloc or not.
  - sbmassey 10y ago
    If it is in a single coordinated economic block, then you don't get the positive effects of different countries trying different things, and the good ideas being copied when proven successful. i.e. the same competition that actually made Europe such a successful part of the world over the last few centuries. The EU is anti-European.
    - Daishiman 10y ago
      And you don't get the negative effects of, say, war, or uncoordinated action against external events, and a myriad other things. Those truism by themselves are completely meaningless unless you can show that what they're missing out on is better than a unified free market.

dudul 10y ago

Well, then we should maybe change the rules of elections. Maybe before people are allowed to vote they should take a test to make sure they know what they are doing. Or we can simplify and say that you need a master's degree to be allowed to vote, organizing the test may be too involved. Also, maybe old people should not be allowed to vote since they're gonna die soon anyway, what do they care? Also, maybe only land owners should be allowed to vote, after all, if you don't own land maybe you're not really part of the destiny of the country. Also, maybe you should have been a citizen for at least 10 years to be allowed to vote, to make sure you've had time to integrate the values of your new country. How about we stop assuming that just because things didn't play out the way the elites wanted them to it must mean that people are stupid, racist, uneducated? I can only imagine the reactions if the "remain" had won, and we were now talking about the UK leaving anyway.

tomp 10y ago

What do you mean, little information?! There's plenty of information on how bad EU is (occupation of Greece, austerity, one country deciding to invite millions of migrants then forcing others to help them, wasting money supporting 2 parliaments, "unelected" leaders, the failure that is Euro, ...).

Daishiman 10y ago
You're not really proving that these, or worse, things wouldn't happen without a EU. Structural economic issues that span a whole continent happen regardless of whether it's in a single coordinated economic bloc or not.
- sbmassey 10y ago
  If it is in a single coordinated economic block, then you don't get the positive effects of different countries trying different things, and the good ideas being copied when proven successful. i.e. the same competition that actually made Europe such a successful part of the world over the last few centuries. The EU is anti-European.
  - Daishiman 10y ago
    And you don't get the negative effects of, say, war, or uncoordinated action against external events, and a myriad other things. Those truism by themselves are completely meaningless unless you can show that what they're missing out on is better than a unified free market.