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Creating database of music and movies metadata (titles, descriptions, song names, file checksums) is treated like terrorism in todays world. The only difference

by ungzd 10y ago

Creating database of music and movies metadata (titles, descriptions, song names, file checksums) is treated like terrorism in todays world. The only difference of Wikipedia is that it doesn't contain that checksums. So seems that these checksums are something like plutonium so even Homeland Security is fighting against it. And every country in the world agrees to send any its citizen to american jail for torture for just hosting these checksums. We're living in medieval times.

mtgx 10y ago
This is why corruption/politicians being bought by corporations is such a big deal, that affects everyone and everything. Lessig is right when he says it's the "root cause" of all the big problems in the U.S. It's not just a "single issue," as Hillary Clinton, likely the next president of the U.S., and who has also benefited greatly from this type of corruption, said during the Democratic Primary (as an "attack" against Sanders) - it's all the issues. Think coal/oil lobby influencing/delaying climate change strategies , military industrial complex influencing national security strategies for more wars (and thus spreading terrorism and making Americans less secure), and even the copyright lobby buying politicians to pass laws that make it a crime to tinker with your device, or make people pay $150,000 for copying a song, and so on. The U.S. really needs to figure out how to get this corrupting influence out of politics, or it's only going to get worse for its citizens, as even more special interests try to screw people over, or they get even more aggressive and shameless about it. This graph shouldn't be a thing anymore: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig
- simbalion 10y ago
  Corruption is a problem in every nation. Has any country found a way to curb it yet? I dont know of any examples, but everyone knows dozens of examples of countries whose governments were bought and sold years ago.
imaginenore 10y ago
> The only difference of Wikipedia is that it doesn't contain that checksums That's false. A typical magnet link looks like this: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:264886d841442158b3efc861bbfca5ef91d8f68b&dn= Mr.Robot.S02E01.720p.WEBRip.AAC2.0.H.264-KNiTTiNG%5Bettv%5D&tr=u dp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.leechers-paradise.org%3A6969&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fz er0day.ch%3A1337&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.demonii.com%3A1337&tr=udp%3 A%2F%2Ftracker.coppersurfer.tk%3A6969&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fexodus.desy nc.com%3A6969 Notice all the tracker URLs.
- urbanarson 10y ago
  Well look who's pirating now. Maybe someone should throw you in jail.
- Retr0spectrum 10y ago
  Most torrent clients will work fine if you just give them the hash.
  - imaginenore 10y ago
    Yes, but that's not my point. My point is these torrent sites have links, not just hashes.
- nxzero 10y ago
  The "btih" value is the checksum.
- simbalion 10y ago
  You can't be arrested for telling someone the street address of a crack house. Why is this different?
- jpgvm 10y ago
  If your client is DHT enabled you often don't need the tracker list, just the content hash is sufficient.
amelius 10y ago
Perhaps you should try to find an answer to the question why a checksum should be considered fair use. Fair use for a movie typically only covers short fragments, not (data computed from) the entire length of the movie.
- jsprogrammer 10y ago
  A checksum is an integer. Stating an integer is fair.
  - amelius 10y ago
    An entire movie can also be represented as an integer.
    - Redoubts 10y ago
      It can be identified by it, but you can't reproduce it from the number anymore than you could from the title alone.
      - Jtsummers 10y ago
        Actually, a movie could be represented by a fairly large (infinite even) number of integers that could allow you to fully reproduce or render it. Checksums, however, are merely digital equivalents to titles or other identifiers. They let you know identity, but not content.
        deleted 10y ago
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    - threatofrain 10y ago
      All information can be represented by integers, or any sequence of symbols, but in this case, a checksum is the equivalent of a name or title -- something only to identify.

by ungzd 10y ago

mtgx 10y ago

This is why corruption/politicians being bought by corporations is such a big deal, that affects everyone and everything. Lessig is right when he says it's the "root cause" of all the big problems in the U.S. It's not just a "single issue," as Hillary Clinton, likely the next president of the U.S., and who has also benefited greatly from this type of corruption, said during the Democratic Primary (as an "attack" against Sanders) - it's all the issues. Think coal/oil lobby influencing/delaying climate change strategies , military industrial complex influencing national security strategies for more wars (and thus spreading terrorism and making Americans less secure), and even the copyright lobby buying politicians to pass laws that make it a crime to tinker with your device, or make people pay $150,000 for copying a song, and so on. The U.S. really needs to figure out how to get this corrupting influence out of politics, or it's only going to get worse for its citizens, as even more special interests try to screw people over, or they get even more aggressive and shameless about it. This graph shouldn't be a thing anymore: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig

simbalion 10y ago
Corruption is a problem in every nation. Has any country found a way to curb it yet? I dont know of any examples, but everyone knows dozens of examples of countries whose governments were bought and sold years ago.

imaginenore 10y ago

> The only difference of Wikipedia is that it doesn't contain that checksums That's false. A typical magnet link looks like this: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:264886d841442158b3efc861bbfca5ef91d8f68b&dn= Mr.Robot.S02E01.720p.WEBRip.AAC2.0.H.264-KNiTTiNG%5Bettv%5D&tr=u dp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.leechers-paradise.org%3A6969&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fz er0day.ch%3A1337&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.demonii.com%3A1337&tr=udp%3 A%2F%2Ftracker.coppersurfer.tk%3A6969&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fexodus.desy nc.com%3A6969 Notice all the tracker URLs.

urbanarson 10y ago
Well look who's pirating now. Maybe someone should throw you in jail.
Retr0spectrum 10y ago
Most torrent clients will work fine if you just give them the hash.
- imaginenore 10y ago
  Yes, but that's not my point. My point is these torrent sites have links, not just hashes.
nxzero 10y ago
The "btih" value is the checksum.
simbalion 10y ago
You can't be arrested for telling someone the street address of a crack house. Why is this different?
jpgvm 10y ago
If your client is DHT enabled you often don't need the tracker list, just the content hash is sufficient.

amelius 10y ago

Perhaps you should try to find an answer to the question why a checksum should be considered fair use. Fair use for a movie typically only covers short fragments, not (data computed from) the entire length of the movie.

jsprogrammer 10y ago
A checksum is an integer. Stating an integer is fair.
- amelius 10y ago
  An entire movie can also be represented as an integer.
  - Redoubts 10y ago
    It can be identified by it, but you can't reproduce it from the number anymore than you could from the title alone.
    - Jtsummers 10y ago
      Actually, a movie could be represented by a fairly large (infinite even) number of integers that could allow you to fully reproduce or render it. Checksums, however, are merely digital equivalents to titles or other identifiers. They let you know identity, but not content.
      - deleted 10y ago
        [deleted]
  - threatofrain 10y ago
    All information can be represented by integers, or any sequence of symbols, but in this case, a checksum is the equivalent of a name or title -- something only to identify.