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As a resident of NYC, I'm hoping for laws that don't allow listings in doorman buildings where people pay extra money for security and don't want transients liv

As a resident of NYC, I'm hoping for laws that don't allow listings in doorman buildings where people pay extra money for security and don't want transients living in our midst.

koenigdavidmj 10y ago
Seems like the sort of thing that belongs in your CC&R. Much as HOAs get a bad rap for being absurdly nosy, this seems a reasonable use of their power. CC&Rs and rental agreements quite typically have sections about not doing business in the unit.
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manticore_alpha 10y ago
You're fun at parties, aren't you?
tacostakohashi 10y ago
Short-term rentals are invariably forbidden by house rules in such buildings anyway, so a new law isn't going to make any difference. What's the point of paying extra for security, if they can't even keep out airbnb renters? This is just an operational and management issue for buildings, not government.
pc86 10y ago
> where people pay extra money for security and don't want transients living in our midst Transients living in your midst! It sounds more like you pay extra to be away from the poors. I'd be shocked if there were any doorman buildings that didn't explicitly forbid subletting (or AirBnB-style leasing specifically) in rental/association agreements.
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- parent5446 10y ago
  Subletting implies 30 days or longer, and in NYC leasees and renters are entitled by law to sublet their apartment provided they give notice to the property owner. The owner can decline in certain situations, but it's on them to prove why their reason is valid. Airbnb laws are concerning advertising of giving out your apartment for less than thirty days, which is illegal in its entirety without a proper license. In either case, the main point is that lease agreements (and in many cases, even the law, as we saw in Santa Monica) don't stop people from doing what they want to do. I don't know why you think the parent comment has anything to do with poor people; sometimes a person just wants to have a good idea of who's living in their building, regardless of wealth.
- tptacek 10y ago
  Since you don't even seem to disagree with the parent comment, I'm puzzled by how mean-spirited your second sentence is. "It sounds like you believe ${CARTOONISH_BAD_THING}" is the archetypical uncharitable response.
- random28345 10y ago
  > Transients living in your midst! It sounds more like you pay extra to be away from the poors. That's an overly simplistic view of the housing market, but yes, that's a major factor in real estate pricing.

As a resident of NYC, I'm hoping for laws that don't allow listings in doorman buildings where people pay extra money for security and don't want transients living in our midst.

koenigdavidmj 10y ago

Seems like the sort of thing that belongs in your CC&R. Much as HOAs get a bad rap for being absurdly nosy, this seems a reasonable use of their power. CC&Rs and rental agreements quite typically have sections about not doing business in the unit.

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manticore_alpha 10y ago

You're fun at parties, aren't you?

tacostakohashi 10y ago

Short-term rentals are invariably forbidden by house rules in such buildings anyway, so a new law isn't going to make any difference. What's the point of paying extra for security, if they can't even keep out airbnb renters? This is just an operational and management issue for buildings, not government.

pc86 10y ago

> where people pay extra money for security and don't want transients living in our midst Transients living in your midst! It sounds more like you pay extra to be away from the poors. I'd be shocked if there were any doorman buildings that didn't explicitly forbid subletting (or AirBnB-style leasing specifically) in rental/association agreements.

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parent5446 10y ago
Subletting implies 30 days or longer, and in NYC leasees and renters are entitled by law to sublet their apartment provided they give notice to the property owner. The owner can decline in certain situations, but it's on them to prove why their reason is valid. Airbnb laws are concerning advertising of giving out your apartment for less than thirty days, which is illegal in its entirety without a proper license. In either case, the main point is that lease agreements (and in many cases, even the law, as we saw in Santa Monica) don't stop people from doing what they want to do. I don't know why you think the parent comment has anything to do with poor people; sometimes a person just wants to have a good idea of who's living in their building, regardless of wealth.
tptacek 10y ago
Since you don't even seem to disagree with the parent comment, I'm puzzled by how mean-spirited your second sentence is. "It sounds like you believe ${CARTOONISH_BAD_THING}" is the archetypical uncharitable response.
random28345 10y ago
> Transients living in your midst! It sounds more like you pay extra to be away from the poors. That's an overly simplistic view of the housing market, but yes, that's a major factor in real estate pricing.