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DISCLAIMER: I am a Filipino and I live in the Philippines When an international media writes something without much knowledge on what's really going on it blow

by jister 10y ago

DISCLAIMER: I am a Filipino and I live in the Philippines When an international media writes something without much knowledge on what's really going on it blows out of proportion. Now let me give you an idea of our situation here before the Duterte presidency. HISTORY ============== The Marcoses and Aquinos and their cronies, have brought the Philippines to its knees for decades (50 years). These families are what we called the "elites" and they are actually the ones who are pulling the strings behind the scenes. They own the local media and the news that you can watch/read were all filtered. Guess what happens when an international media make our local news as the source of their publication? DRUGS ============== We are almost in a narco-state before the Duterte presidency. Just a few days ago 5 police generals were mentioned that they are the protectors of the DRUG TRIAD here in the Philippines. It was also mentioned that 23 mayors are also linked to the triad and this is just in the 2nd week of Duterte's presidency. It is also rumored that people linked to drugs goes way up the ranks -- senators, justice, congressmen, etc. President Duterte had a list of people involved and the same list were given to the former President Aquino but he did nothing. Today, a few thousands drug addicts/pushers surrendered. Drug addicts who turn themselves in are given rehabilitation and jail time for pushers. Hundred were taken out by the police because they fought back. One even thrown a grenade! President Durterte emphasized a lot of times that everybody should follow the law. Police should operate within the bounds of the law but I guess this wasn't mentioned every time a foreigner write about him. KILLING IS WRONG! But, we live in a different and a more challenging world than the rest of you. What is white for you may be gray for us. WATCH THIS: ============== https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUVA6GDinvM&feature=youtu.be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUVA6GDinvM&feature=youtu.be

mih 10y ago
I see a lot of negative press about Duterte in the western media. Talking to Filipino friends, I have quite the opposite impression that mirrors your sentiments - that people are actually hopeful, a refreshing change after decades of corruption. It also appears that Duterte favors a more pragmatic stance on the Spratlys/South China sea disputes rather than toeing the western line which in the long term is better for the region. You do not want to antagonize China, despite the assurances of USA that they have your back (only as long as realpolitik affords it). Something that the average foreigner fails to comprehend.
- berntb 10y ago
  According to international courts, China is stealing from (amongst others) the Philippines It is just funny that you blame that on conspiracies of a third party.
norswap 10y ago
Gotta love your brand of moral relativism.
- Bakary 10y ago
  It's easy to have a moral compass when nothing ever challenges it.
  - norswap 10y ago
    I'm susceptible as the next man, but I'm pretty damn sure I will never go around killing drug traffickers or users with the justification of improving my country or something abstract like that. It wouldn't be the same if, for instance, they posed a direct physical threat to me or my close ones.
    - ianai 10y ago
      But they do pose a direct, physical threat to everyone in the phillipines.
      - fucking_tragedy 10y ago
        I know handful of alcoholics and prescription pill addicts. They have successful (for the moment, at least) lives contributing to society. They have an unfortunate problem. Many successful, influential people had drug and alcohol problems. Leaders, philosophers, writers, surgeons, entertainers, mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters have been addicts that were never a direct, physical threat to anyone but themselves. That doesn't distract from the fact that this problem can be solved without resorting to vigilante justice and out right murder. Death shouldn't be the punishment for having a problem.
      - mnbcvx 10y ago
        What? So let's kill drug addicts everywhere? Here's an idea... those Filipinos over there have such a violent country! They just can't get there act together! I guess Filipinos are prone to violence, and they DO pose a direct, physical threat to everyone in the world! So, go ahead and kill a Filipino if you see one -- you'll just be putting them out of their misery -- and of course we're so benevolent, we offer free rehabilitation (AKA prison) for any Filipino that turns themselves in.
jacquesm 10y ago
You're the guy I bought drugs from on my last trip through your country. What makes you believe that you will escape the dance this time?
- lostlogin 10y ago
  Did you actually? And this also brings up another question, what counts as a drug?
  - jacquesm 10y ago
    No, I'm just making the point that we have a judicial process because merely claiming someone is a criminal should not be enough to get them killed. OP is anonymous so I didn't see any harm in this. I don't use drugs, don't drink (pretty boring person here). > And this also brings up another question, what counts as a drug? Well, it's simple: that's the stuff the person you just killed was selling to your nephew three weeks ago.
    - jister 10y ago
      Those related to drugs were killed during a buy-bust operation. And yes, there is judicial process but people will read more if the media highlights and writes about "extrajudicial killing" instead.
      - lostlogin 10y ago
        Can we assume the same rules will be applied to the whole population? Or will it just be applied to "them"?
        jister 10y ago
        There is judicial process to all.
        lostlogin 10y ago
13of40 10y ago
Out of curiosity, is there any distinction being drawn between "hard" and "soft" drugs? For example, is anyone being killed for selling/using marijuana, or is it all about heroin and meth? Edit: I don't understand why someone would down vote this question. Taken at face value, the mandate to kill "drug users" could mean it's OK to shoot up a coffee shop or kill your neighbor for being an alcoholic, depending on where your particular culture draws the line. For example, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/25/iranian-pair-death-penalty-alcohol https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/25/iranian-pair-d...
- jister 10y ago
  Most cases are meth related. Philippines now is like a meth capital.
  - 213vega 10y ago
    I seriously doubt the Philippines is the meth capital of the world, I'm sure there are other countries where meth is far more profitable.
- 213vega 10y ago
  He's killing marijuana "pushers" and users too. The man is monster.
smegel 10y ago
Mexico could do with a President like that.
- justjico 10y ago
  No, we're good. Thanks though ...
- gunnihinn 10y ago
  Yeah, fighting the cartels directly has worked like a charm so far. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Drug_War#Casualties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Drug_War#Casualties
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    By many accounts, the Mexican Drug War has involved very little of the Government fighting on one side and "the Cartels" on the other, and very much of elements of the government (including the military, especially units of the Army) selling exclusive rights to particular regions to particular cartels, and fighting against that cartel's rivals in the region. Which is not to say that actually fighting against the cartels would actually produce good results.
- lavamantis 10y ago
  Both (all?) countries could benefit from doing one thing: legalize everything.
- J_Darnley 10y ago
  Mexico could do with a wall.
maze-le 10y ago
It is always interesting to hear how things are going from someone who actually lives there. I condemn these extrajudicial killings and find it abhorrent to call on the population to kill their neighbours, whatever problems they may cause/suffer. On the other hand, I don't know if I would think the same if I would be living there. I don't know the situation in the Philippines, but in Mexico there are armed vigilante groups have formed to protect their villages against drug lords. I can't really blame them when armed forces of the drug lords are killing villagers indiscriminately to show the state/army who really is in power. Another thing I might add is that extrajudicial killings happened before Duerte especially in the southern Mindanao region, perpetrated by the army, as well as rebel groups. Nobody (in the western media) has ever given a rats ass about this anyway, and its been going on for over 30 years now. It is another form of conflict, I admit, if you just read what happened there just in the last 2 years, you'd be shocked.[0][1] [0]: http://www.hiik.de/en/konfliktbarometer/pdf/ConflictBarometer_2015.pdf http://www.hiik.de/en/konfliktbarometer/pdf/ConflictBaromete... [1]: http://www.hiik.de/en/konfliktbarometer/pdf/ConflictBarometer_2014.pdf http://www.hiik.de/en/konfliktbarometer/pdf/ConflictBaromete...
- tim333 10y ago
  I went to visit a friend in the Philippines in Feb and she'd moved from Manila to Davao specifically for the lower crime under Duterte - he's been mayor there for many years. Although his policies are iffy people there know what they are voting for and he seems popular so far - "84 percent of those surveyed showed 'much trust' in Duterte" http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/795717/sws-duterte-begins-presidency-with-excellent-trust-rating http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/795717/sws-duterte-begins-presi...
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rbanffy 10y ago
> 5 police generals were mentioned that they are the protectors of the DRUG TRIAD here in the Philippines. It was also mentioned that 23 mayors are also linked to the triad > President Duterte had a list of people involved I wonder how many of those are political allies. My guess would be something very close to zero.
spacecowboy_lon 10y ago
It's people like you who gave the nod and wink to abuses like the mechanics school in the dirty war in Argentina. No offense but this is "working towards the Fuhrer" in action
threatofrain 10y ago
During a period of unaccountable killing, I wonder if any leader can resist a list of political enemies. If the list of corruption goes up to the police, legislature, and the judiciary, does that mean that only the appropriate public figures will be killed? Will only corrupt senate members be shot?
vatotemking 10y ago
Here is an interesting analysis about Duterte: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmGueIli7vc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmGueIli7vc
xg15 10y ago
I still haven't seen the practical question answered what would stop people from simply murdering whoever they have a personal grudge against and labeling them "drug addict" after the fact.
- 213vega 10y ago
  Absolutely nothing will stop people from doing just that, it's the real life Purge. This maniac has the poor killing the poor.
213vega 10y ago
"If you know of any addicts, go ahead and kill them yourself as getting their parents to do it, would be too painful,". Rody Duterte History has shown us that when a leader kills huge segments of the population wether its hitler with the Jews or Duterte with the criminals and drug users, it's always a recipe for turmoil. Duterte's methods may work in the short term if u don't care about innocent people dying, But it'll get worse in the long term. U cannot fight darkness with darkness. This man is killing both drug dealer and drug user. This tyrant got on national tv and told the people to kill drug users essentially giving the people a license to kill. Addiction is a disease and it should be treated as such, not given the death penalty. Killing drug users is a crime against humanity, it's as heinous as killing sick people. Since duterte ok'd nationwide murder, dead bodies have been turning up with notes on their bodies saying "drug dealer " or "user"with a bag of drugs next to them. And since the cops assume the person was a dealer or user they don't even investigate. What's to stop people from killing those they hate and making the person look like a dealer or user with a bag of drugs next to them? The short answer, absolutely nothing!! Its pretty much the real life purge pinoy edition, except instead of having only one day a year to kill, it's everyday for the next 6 years(duterte term)that's fking terrifying. Violence only breeds more violence, Duterte is cultivating a generation of murderers that won't stop killing even after every drug dealer and user is killed. And like a psychologist friend of mine says, once some people get the taste of killing, they won't stop. If you think Duterte is for the people think again. He has figured out a way to get the poor to kill the poor. Does that sound like a person of the people to you? To my fellow Filipinos.......WAKE UP!!!! Duterte is EVIL!!! The people being killed have loved ones too. Do you think the thousands of loved ones of the murdered aren't going to want revenge? Revenge is a very powerful emotion, more so then love because its reinforced by love. History has shown us that when tyrants kill without abandon, resistance groups will form and fight back. Everyone always thinks they're the good guys and the killings always get worse and in the end EVERYONE loses. It's happened in the Philippines before and it's about to happen again but this time around its going to be much worse. To get rid of crime you have to alleviate the root cause, and in the Philippines and most places in the world, it's poverty. Alleviate poverty and most crime will go with it. U can't just kill everyone like the newly elected Mad King of the Philippines.. This guy is pure evil in the flesh and he's committing crimes against humanity on a scale I've never seen in the PI, and I hope the world intervenes before his death toll goes into Stalin and Hitler territory. God help the Philippines they are being lead down a dark path by this madman. http://youtu.be/aHvYYopJupA http://youtu.be/aHvYYopJupA

by jister 10y ago

mih 10y ago

I see a lot of negative press about Duterte in the western media. Talking to Filipino friends, I have quite the opposite impression that mirrors your sentiments - that people are actually hopeful, a refreshing change after decades of corruption. It also appears that Duterte favors a more pragmatic stance on the Spratlys/South China sea disputes rather than toeing the western line which in the long term is better for the region. You do not want to antagonize China, despite the assurances of USA that they have your back (only as long as realpolitik affords it). Something that the average foreigner fails to comprehend.

berntb 10y ago
According to international courts, China is stealing from (amongst others) the Philippines It is just funny that you blame that on conspiracies of a third party.

norswap 10y ago

Gotta love your brand of moral relativism.

Bakary 10y ago
It's easy to have a moral compass when nothing ever challenges it.
- norswap 10y ago
  I'm susceptible as the next man, but I'm pretty damn sure I will never go around killing drug traffickers or users with the justification of improving my country or something abstract like that. It wouldn't be the same if, for instance, they posed a direct physical threat to me or my close ones.
  - ianai 10y ago
    But they do pose a direct, physical threat to everyone in the phillipines.
    - fucking_tragedy 10y ago
      I know handful of alcoholics and prescription pill addicts. They have successful (for the moment, at least) lives contributing to society. They have an unfortunate problem. Many successful, influential people had drug and alcohol problems. Leaders, philosophers, writers, surgeons, entertainers, mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters have been addicts that were never a direct, physical threat to anyone but themselves. That doesn't distract from the fact that this problem can be solved without resorting to vigilante justice and out right murder. Death shouldn't be the punishment for having a problem.
    - mnbcvx 10y ago
      What? So let's kill drug addicts everywhere? Here's an idea... those Filipinos over there have such a violent country! They just can't get there act together! I guess Filipinos are prone to violence, and they DO pose a direct, physical threat to everyone in the world! So, go ahead and kill a Filipino if you see one -- you'll just be putting them out of their misery -- and of course we're so benevolent, we offer free rehabilitation (AKA prison) for any Filipino that turns themselves in.

jacquesm 10y ago

You're the guy I bought drugs from on my last trip through your country. What makes you believe that you will escape the dance this time?

lostlogin 10y ago
Did you actually? And this also brings up another question, what counts as a drug?
- jacquesm 10y ago
  No, I'm just making the point that we have a judicial process because merely claiming someone is a criminal should not be enough to get them killed. OP is anonymous so I didn't see any harm in this. I don't use drugs, don't drink (pretty boring person here). > And this also brings up another question, what counts as a drug? Well, it's simple: that's the stuff the person you just killed was selling to your nephew three weeks ago.
  - jister 10y ago
    Those related to drugs were killed during a buy-bust operation. And yes, there is judicial process but people will read more if the media highlights and writes about "extrajudicial killing" instead.
    - lostlogin 10y ago
      Can we assume the same rules will be applied to the whole population? Or will it just be applied to "them"?
      - jister 10y ago
        There is judicial process to all.
        lostlogin 10y ago

13of40 10y ago

Out of curiosity, is there any distinction being drawn between "hard" and "soft" drugs? For example, is anyone being killed for selling/using marijuana, or is it all about heroin and meth? Edit: I don't understand why someone would down vote this question. Taken at face value, the mandate to kill "drug users" could mean it's OK to shoot up a coffee shop or kill your neighbor for being an alcoholic, depending on where your particular culture draws the line. For example, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/25/iranian-pair-death-penalty-alcohol https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/25/iranian-pair-d...

jister 10y ago
Most cases are meth related. Philippines now is like a meth capital.
- 213vega 10y ago
  I seriously doubt the Philippines is the meth capital of the world, I'm sure there are other countries where meth is far more profitable.
213vega 10y ago
He's killing marijuana "pushers" and users too. The man is monster.

smegel 10y ago

Mexico could do with a President like that.

justjico 10y ago
No, we're good. Thanks though ...
gunnihinn 10y ago
Yeah, fighting the cartels directly has worked like a charm so far. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Drug_War#Casualties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Drug_War#Casualties
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  By many accounts, the Mexican Drug War has involved very little of the Government fighting on one side and "the Cartels" on the other, and very much of elements of the government (including the military, especially units of the Army) selling exclusive rights to particular regions to particular cartels, and fighting against that cartel's rivals in the region. Which is not to say that actually fighting against the cartels would actually produce good results.
lavamantis 10y ago
Both (all?) countries could benefit from doing one thing: legalize everything.
J_Darnley 10y ago
Mexico could do with a wall.

maze-le 10y ago

It is always interesting to hear how things are going from someone who actually lives there. I condemn these extrajudicial killings and find it abhorrent to call on the population to kill their neighbours, whatever problems they may cause/suffer. On the other hand, I don't know if I would think the same if I would be living there. I don't know the situation in the Philippines, but in Mexico there are armed vigilante groups have formed to protect their villages against drug lords. I can't really blame them when armed forces of the drug lords are killing villagers indiscriminately to show the state/army who really is in power. Another thing I might add is that extrajudicial killings happened before Duerte especially in the southern Mindanao region, perpetrated by the army, as well as rebel groups. Nobody (in the western media) has ever given a rats ass about this anyway, and its been going on for over 30 years now. It is another form of conflict, I admit, if you just read what happened there just in the last 2 years, you'd be shocked.[0][1] [0]: http://www.hiik.de/en/konfliktbarometer/pdf/ConflictBarometer_2015.pdf http://www.hiik.de/en/konfliktbarometer/pdf/ConflictBaromete... [1]: http://www.hiik.de/en/konfliktbarometer/pdf/ConflictBarometer_2014.pdf http://www.hiik.de/en/konfliktbarometer/pdf/ConflictBaromete...

tim333 10y ago
I went to visit a friend in the Philippines in Feb and she'd moved from Manila to Davao specifically for the lower crime under Duterte - he's been mayor there for many years. Although his policies are iffy people there know what they are voting for and he seems popular so far - "84 percent of those surveyed showed 'much trust' in Duterte" http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/795717/sws-duterte-begins-presidency-with-excellent-trust-rating http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/795717/sws-duterte-begins-presi...

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rbanffy 10y ago

> 5 police generals were mentioned that they are the protectors of the DRUG TRIAD here in the Philippines. It was also mentioned that 23 mayors are also linked to the triad > President Duterte had a list of people involved I wonder how many of those are political allies. My guess would be something very close to zero.

spacecowboy_lon 10y ago

It's people like you who gave the nod and wink to abuses like the mechanics school in the dirty war in Argentina. No offense but this is "working towards the Fuhrer" in action

threatofrain 10y ago

During a period of unaccountable killing, I wonder if any leader can resist a list of political enemies. If the list of corruption goes up to the police, legislature, and the judiciary, does that mean that only the appropriate public figures will be killed? Will only corrupt senate members be shot?

vatotemking 10y ago

Here is an interesting analysis about Duterte: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmGueIli7vc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmGueIli7vc

xg15 10y ago

I still haven't seen the practical question answered what would stop people from simply murdering whoever they have a personal grudge against and labeling them "drug addict" after the fact.

213vega 10y ago
Absolutely nothing will stop people from doing just that, it's the real life Purge. This maniac has the poor killing the poor.

213vega 10y ago

"If you know of any addicts, go ahead and kill them yourself as getting their parents to do it, would be too painful,". Rody Duterte History has shown us that when a leader kills huge segments of the population wether its hitler with the Jews or Duterte with the criminals and drug users, it's always a recipe for turmoil. Duterte's methods may work in the short term if u don't care about innocent people dying, But it'll get worse in the long term. U cannot fight darkness with darkness. This man is killing both drug dealer and drug user. This tyrant got on national tv and told the people to kill drug users essentially giving the people a license to kill. Addiction is a disease and it should be treated as such, not given the death penalty. Killing drug users is a crime against humanity, it's as heinous as killing sick people. Since duterte ok'd nationwide murder, dead bodies have been turning up with notes on their bodies saying "drug dealer " or "user"with a bag of drugs next to them. And since the cops assume the person was a dealer or user they don't even investigate. What's to stop people from killing those they hate and making the person look like a dealer or user with a bag of drugs next to them? The short answer, absolutely nothing!! Its pretty much the real life purge pinoy edition, except instead of having only one day a year to kill, it's everyday for the next 6 years(duterte term)that's fking terrifying. Violence only breeds more violence, Duterte is cultivating a generation of murderers that won't stop killing even after every drug dealer and user is killed. And like a psychologist friend of mine says, once some people get the taste of killing, they won't stop. If you think Duterte is for the people think again. He has figured out a way to get the poor to kill the poor. Does that sound like a person of the people to you? To my fellow Filipinos.......WAKE UP!!!! Duterte is EVIL!!! The people being killed have loved ones too. Do you think the thousands of loved ones of the murdered aren't going to want revenge? Revenge is a very powerful emotion, more so then love because its reinforced by love. History has shown us that when tyrants kill without abandon, resistance groups will form and fight back. Everyone always thinks they're the good guys and the killings always get worse and in the end EVERYONE loses. It's happened in the Philippines before and it's about to happen again but this time around its going to be much worse. To get rid of crime you have to alleviate the root cause, and in the Philippines and most places in the world, it's poverty. Alleviate poverty and most crime will go with it. U can't just kill everyone like the newly elected Mad King of the Philippines.. This guy is pure evil in the flesh and he's committing crimes against humanity on a scale I've never seen in the PI, and I hope the world intervenes before his death toll goes into Stalin and Hitler territory. God help the Philippines they are being lead down a dark path by this madman. http://youtu.be/aHvYYopJupA http://youtu.be/aHvYYopJupA