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Why didnt they use some some gas agent, like russians did in the theater? (Without hostages this time, the risk of collaterals is removed). Sending a bomb on w

by molmalo 10y ago

Why didnt they use some some gas agent, like russians did in the theater? (Without hostages this time, the risk of collaterals is removed). Sending a bomb on wheels makes it look like just revenge.

T0T0R0 10y ago
That gas agent (allegedly aerosolized fentanyl [1]) didn't actually work so great, and wound up killing people anyway, so might've had the same outcome, but with more effort and just as much controversy. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_hostage_crisis_chemical_agent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_hostage_crisis_chemical...
- yardie 10y ago
  It failed because they used an anesthetic and it will certainly kill you if you can't control the dose. In this case they had 1 target who they were carefully monitoring. Once it reached its effectiveness they could cut it off.
  - nradov 10y ago
    That's not how anesthetics work. It's impossible to deliver a controlled dose or measure effectiveness just by spraying some gas in a general direction. Ask an anesthesiologist.
    - hga 10y ago
      "Uh, mom?" Seriously, she was a nurse anesthetist who retired decades ago when she had me, and she's mentioned how it's a somewhat precision effort. They monitor the patient to see how it's effecting them, since we're all different.
      - nradov 10y ago
        Yes they monitor the patient in an operating room using multiple instruments. And the anesthetic is delivered in a precisely calibrated dose based on the patient's size using a mask or IV. Which is completely different from the actual situation in Dallas. Edit: sorry I didn't realize that the parent post was essentially agreeing.
        hga 10y ago
        (Uh, I wasn't the one to suggest that, seeing as how I knew from my mother these details. Sorry for my lack of clarity.)
- dTal 10y ago
  That situation could have been handled better (from what I've read the deaths were all preventable by proper treatment), but even 16% lethality compares pretty favorably with the 100% lethality of a bomb.
justin66 10y ago
A police force in the United States wouldn't stock anything remotely similar to that Russian gas. On the other hand, nasty tear gas is available. Someone decided that trying to flush that guy from his position, such that he'd have to either come out with his hands up or come out shooting, was not desirable.

by molmalo 10y ago

Why didnt they use some some gas agent, like russians did in the theater? (Without hostages this time, the risk of collaterals is removed). Sending a bomb on wheels makes it look like just revenge.

T0T0R0 10y ago

That gas agent (allegedly aerosolized fentanyl [1]) didn't actually work so great, and wound up killing people anyway, so might've had the same outcome, but with more effort and just as much controversy. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_hostage_crisis_chemical_agent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_hostage_crisis_chemical...

yardie 10y ago
It failed because they used an anesthetic and it will certainly kill you if you can't control the dose. In this case they had 1 target who they were carefully monitoring. Once it reached its effectiveness they could cut it off.
- nradov 10y ago
  That's not how anesthetics work. It's impossible to deliver a controlled dose or measure effectiveness just by spraying some gas in a general direction. Ask an anesthesiologist.
  - hga 10y ago
    "Uh, mom?" Seriously, she was a nurse anesthetist who retired decades ago when she had me, and she's mentioned how it's a somewhat precision effort. They monitor the patient to see how it's effecting them, since we're all different.
    - nradov 10y ago
      Yes they monitor the patient in an operating room using multiple instruments. And the anesthetic is delivered in a precisely calibrated dose based on the patient's size using a mask or IV. Which is completely different from the actual situation in Dallas. Edit: sorry I didn't realize that the parent post was essentially agreeing.
      - hga 10y ago
        (Uh, I wasn't the one to suggest that, seeing as how I knew from my mother these details. Sorry for my lack of clarity.)
dTal 10y ago
That situation could have been handled better (from what I've read the deaths were all preventable by proper treatment), but even 16% lethality compares pretty favorably with the 100% lethality of a bomb.

justin66 10y ago

A police force in the United States wouldn't stock anything remotely similar to that Russian gas. On the other hand, nasty tear gas is available. Someone decided that trying to flush that guy from his position, such that he'd have to either come out with his hands up or come out shooting, was not desirable.