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What's so hard about the JVM install? I googled for "java download" and this was my first hit: https://java.com/en/download/ https://java.com/en/download/ Went

by claystu 10y ago

What's so hard about the JVM install? I googled for "java download" and this was my first hit: https://java.com/en/download/ https://java.com/en/download/ Went there and found a single, totally obvious button labeled "Free Java Download" that detects your browser and Operating System and makes sure you download the proper version of the JVM. How much easier could it be?

amluto 10y ago
Dunno. Do you want the ask.com toolbar? How about updates that install the new version and remove the old version? Or maybe they've fixed the latter issue by now.
- claystu 10y ago
  Well, the oracle website does tell you how to disable the toolbar, though I agree it shouldn't be there in the first place. As for uninstalling the old version, are you saying you want the new version to automatically uninstall old versions?
  - amluto 10y ago
    Yes. A new security release should absolutely remove the old release or at least disable any ability for less-than-fully-trusted code to invoke it.
eli 10y ago
On Windows it comes with an unrelated installed-by-default "malware" browser toolbar.
ascagnel_ 10y ago
For one, it'd be nice if it only did what it says on the tin: install Java. There's no reason that a platform like the JRE should be installing a piece of crapware.
vetinari 10y ago
Except for the above malware comments, what exactly does "Install Java" mean? You cannot redistribute the installer or the installed files. Except other things it means, you cannot make a docker image with java app and redistribute it. Everyone has to download their own java installer and build images themselves.
- SSLy 10y ago
  Yeah, no. https://hub.docker.com/r/madsonic/ubuntu-madsonic/~/dockerfile/ https://hub.docker.com/r/madsonic/ubuntu-madsonic/~/dockerfi... Java (openJDK) is GPL licenced.
  - raverbashing 10y ago
    Yes. But openJDK might not solve your problem
    - SSLy 10y ago
      Is there one feature relevant to running enterprise apps that oracle jdk SE (straight out compiled from openjdk sources) has that the gpl edition does not?
- oldmanjay 10y ago
  I have no recriminations prepared for you but I am curious; where did you get the idea you can't make docker images for java apps? Did you piece it together mistakenly based on incomplete knowledge or is someone actually spreading that around?
  - kieranelby 10y ago
    Don't know about other poster, but I always thought that while you can make docker images for Java apps that include the Oracle JRE, there are restrictions if you want to distribute them - see http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/terms/license/index.html http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/terms/license/... . The no modifications clause is problematic for GPL software.
acveilleux 10y ago
If you need to provision things automatically, you need to jump through hoops to bypass going through that website. For licensing reason the Oracle JDK/JVM cannot be distributed by O/S vendors.
rblatz 10y ago
Why should it detect my browser? I want to run Java Applications Lik Minecraft not Java insecure applets in my browser.

by claystu 10y ago

amluto 10y ago

Dunno. Do you want the ask.com toolbar? How about updates that install the new version and remove the old version? Or maybe they've fixed the latter issue by now.

claystu 10y ago
Well, the oracle website does tell you how to disable the toolbar, though I agree it shouldn't be there in the first place. As for uninstalling the old version, are you saying you want the new version to automatically uninstall old versions?
- amluto 10y ago
  Yes. A new security release should absolutely remove the old release or at least disable any ability for less-than-fully-trusted code to invoke it.

eli 10y ago

On Windows it comes with an unrelated installed-by-default "malware" browser toolbar.

ascagnel_ 10y ago

For one, it'd be nice if it only did what it says on the tin: install Java. There's no reason that a platform like the JRE should be installing a piece of crapware.

vetinari 10y ago

Except for the above malware comments, what exactly does "Install Java" mean? You cannot redistribute the installer or the installed files. Except other things it means, you cannot make a docker image with java app and redistribute it. Everyone has to download their own java installer and build images themselves.

SSLy 10y ago
Yeah, no. https://hub.docker.com/r/madsonic/ubuntu-madsonic/~/dockerfile/ https://hub.docker.com/r/madsonic/ubuntu-madsonic/~/dockerfi... Java (openJDK) is GPL licenced.
- raverbashing 10y ago
  Yes. But openJDK might not solve your problem
  - SSLy 10y ago
    Is there one feature relevant to running enterprise apps that oracle jdk SE (straight out compiled from openjdk sources) has that the gpl edition does not?
oldmanjay 10y ago
I have no recriminations prepared for you but I am curious; where did you get the idea you can't make docker images for java apps? Did you piece it together mistakenly based on incomplete knowledge or is someone actually spreading that around?
- kieranelby 10y ago
  Don't know about other poster, but I always thought that while you can make docker images for Java apps that include the Oracle JRE, there are restrictions if you want to distribute them - see http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/terms/license/index.html http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/terms/license/... . The no modifications clause is problematic for GPL software.

acveilleux 10y ago

If you need to provision things automatically, you need to jump through hoops to bypass going through that website. For licensing reason the Oracle JDK/JVM cannot be distributed by O/S vendors.

rblatz 10y ago

Why should it detect my browser? I want to run Java Applications Lik Minecraft not Java insecure applets in my browser.