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We don't believe sites should make money? Some people want to forbid paywall sites, while others want to forbid sites that have ads. What sort of future economy

by melling 10y ago

We don't believe sites should make money? Some people want to forbid paywall sites, while others want to forbid sites that have ads. What sort of future economy are you proposing?

apatters 10y ago
Well, you are arguing a slippery slope fallacy here. I never suggested that sites shouldn't be able to make money. Speaking solely on behalf of myself as a single participant in the market, a content publisher who expects me to view ads (or pay money) to view even a single piece of their general interest journalism is not a publisher I am interested in consuming content from. I view that as a fairly irrational business model, and a strongarm tactic, and when I see a publisher do that I am done with them -- Wired, Forbes, etc. are all replaceable for me, I can go read another site, or play a game, or walk the dog. You'd better believe I pay for lots of content and/or sit through ads when it's worth it to me. I just don't see why Wired's preference for a particular business model is more important than my preference for accessing the Internet through my machine on my connection with my time. I like an Internet where you get to choose the terms by which you access things. Now I can simply hit back if a link on HN goes to a site that forbids adblockers. We're not talking life and death here. I'm just saying it would be a nice feature to have. From a hacker's point of view I think it's remiss to say we shouldn't build technology which helps people consume the Internet the way they want because certain types of publishers need to make a buck.
gambiting 10y ago
I'm fine with them showing ads, I just don't want paywalled websites on HN. It would be a bit daft if suddenly you couldn't actually read anything on HN without paying, no?
- amelius 10y ago
  If you don't mind the ads, just open the link in an incognito window.
UweSchmidt 10y ago
People will spend their disposable income regardless how it is redirected by advertisements. There is no indication that ad-influenced spending is better for jobs/growth/happiness.
dhimes 10y ago
I don't mind the ads, actually, but the tracking sucks. Ghostery is showing 19 trackers. JFC.

by melling 10y ago

We don't believe sites should make money? Some people want to forbid paywall sites, while others want to forbid sites that have ads. What sort of future economy are you proposing?

apatters 10y ago

Well, you are arguing a slippery slope fallacy here. I never suggested that sites shouldn't be able to make money. Speaking solely on behalf of myself as a single participant in the market, a content publisher who expects me to view ads (or pay money) to view even a single piece of their general interest journalism is not a publisher I am interested in consuming content from. I view that as a fairly irrational business model, and a strongarm tactic, and when I see a publisher do that I am done with them -- Wired, Forbes, etc. are all replaceable for me, I can go read another site, or play a game, or walk the dog. You'd better believe I pay for lots of content and/or sit through ads when it's worth it to me. I just don't see why Wired's preference for a particular business model is more important than my preference for accessing the Internet through my machine on my connection with my time. I like an Internet where you get to choose the terms by which you access things. Now I can simply hit back if a link on HN goes to a site that forbids adblockers. We're not talking life and death here. I'm just saying it would be a nice feature to have. From a hacker's point of view I think it's remiss to say we shouldn't build technology which helps people consume the Internet the way they want because certain types of publishers need to make a buck.

gambiting 10y ago

I'm fine with them showing ads, I just don't want paywalled websites on HN. It would be a bit daft if suddenly you couldn't actually read anything on HN without paying, no?

amelius 10y ago
If you don't mind the ads, just open the link in an incognito window.

UweSchmidt 10y ago

People will spend their disposable income regardless how it is redirected by advertisements. There is no indication that ad-influenced spending is better for jobs/growth/happiness.

dhimes 10y ago

I don't mind the ads, actually, but the tracking sucks. Ghostery is showing 19 trackers. JFC.