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Which seems to present the interesting divide between European software engineers and American ones. In the US, you get pampered, but seem to have lots of late
by CM30 10y ago
Which seems to present the interesting divide between European software engineers and American ones.
In the US, you get pampered, but seem to have lots of late nights, 'crunch' time, etc. In Europe, you get far lower wages but it's treated almost solely as a 9-5 job.
- sotojuan 10y agoA lot (maybe most) programming jobs in the US are 9-5 but they're not at companies or places HN would be interested in discussing.
- deskamess 10y agoUnfortunately there are a lot of jobs in North America that are stated as 9-5 but include unpaid on-call and overtime. There are laws that make it so that IT does not have to be paid overtime.
- kemiller2002 10y agoI have to disagree with this. Most IT jobs in the U.S. aren't 9-5. Every place I've interviewed have always hinted at the fact that it's not a 40 hour a week job. This may sound jaded, but companies really do expect to get more than what they pay for, and it's not just the silicon valley ones. I think the real issue is that most programmers feel a dedication and passion to what they do and they want to see the project succeed, and so the get taken advantage of.
- copperx 10y agoIt's ridiculous to frame it like that. I'm sure most surgeons also want to make sure their patients benefit from a surgery, but I'm sure they don't get taken advantage of.
- deskamess 10y agoI read those stories and wondered when they got time to be 'pampered'. For the jobs listed, if they averaged out the compensation/hours-worked it would be interesting to see what the numbers are (with and without RSU).