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Regardless of pricing, this is Windows/Internet explorer vs. Netscape all over. Easy to see Apple introduce features tied to Apple Music that Spotify can't beca

by dirkdk 10y ago

Regardless of pricing, this is Windows/Internet explorer vs. Netscape all over. Easy to see Apple introduce features tied to Apple Music that Spotify can't because it doesn't have the same control over iOS

endlessvoid94 10y ago
Like what features?
- mackey 10y ago
  Siri in iOS 10 is a pretty major one.
  - st3v3r 10y ago
    You mean the same OS that opened up the Siri API?
    - Me1000 10y ago
      The Siri API doesn't support music.
      - MBCook 10y ago
        I imagine it will it some point, but you're right right now that's only available for Apple. That means the question is: is the lack of Siri integration a big enough hindrance that it should be considered unlawful interference with competition?
- pen2l 10y ago
  Funny you ask -- because boy do I have an answer. Last week I officially switched (reluctantly and with a bad taste in my mouth) from Spotify to Apple Music. Why? Simply because when I'm driving I want to dictate by voice command what song I want to play. I could not do this with Spotify, that's why I switched. Next time I won't get an iphone because of the bad taste this experience has left me (the worst part is apple's voice transcription technology is so bad compared to Google's... so half the time even that doesn't work)
  - vitd 10y ago
    I'm curious - I see that Midomi Sound Hound now has voice recognition in iOS 9, which I assume it gets from either licensing Google Now, Cortana, or directly from the companies that provide functionality for those. Why couldn't Spotify just do that? Would that solve your problem?
    - pen2l 10y ago
      You would still need to find your way to the Spotify app though, so that defeats the point -- because you have to use your hand to unlock the phone, open the app, etc. Compare this with being able to play a song by simply saying "Hey Siri play Beatles' Rain"... and that is it.
      - scarface74 10y ago
        "hey siri open Spotify" works fine.
        pen2l 10y ago
        ... And then find your way to search icon, click x to clear current query, hit microphone icon to say song name? By this point I've probably killed 9 people on the road while driving. Compare this with "hey Siri play bob Dylan's blowing in the wind" and it working just with this
        scarface74 10y ago
        The previous post was saying that Spotify could implement their own voice recognition once launched.
        pen2l 10y ago
        But that's still more than simply "Hey Siri play something by Rolling stones" or "Ok google play some Johnny Cash" Apple should have opened Siri to spotify.
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tdkl 10y ago
Except Apple/iOS doesn't have the majority market share as MS did. (not that I don't despise this, just stating).
- dirkdk 10y ago
  True. Just that I bet with the $$$ that iPhone owners have, a massive chunk of Spotify's revenue comes from iPhone owners
- UnoriginalGuy 10y ago
  Apple have 100% of the market share in distributing apps in the Apple ecosystem. If you define the "market" as the ecosystem then Apple is in monopolistic control of it, and by extension violates competition law.
  - xemoka 10y ago
    In that case, Facebook has a 100% monopoly on its website, I want it to be opened up so anyone can add pages without oversight! Or Twitter! Or hacker news! Why should we have to follow the rules of the platform as chosen by its creators? (Straw man and all that)
    - UnoriginalGuy 10y ago
      You're conflating a website owned and operating by the company, and consumer's personal devices owned and operated by the consumer.
      - redial 10y ago
        Should Microsoft be forced to let Sony sell Playstation games on the XBox?
        UnoriginalGuy 10y ago
        If Microsoft chooses to operate a store on the XBox, it should give its own services and competing services an even playing field. It is anti-consumer to do otherwise, which is why competition laws exist. A better analogy would be if Microsoft opened an app store on the XBox (which they have/do) and then blocked Sony from selling apps there, or charged Sony a premium rate.
MBCook 10y ago
Apple Music isn't free. That was what Microsoft in the cut them in so much trouble.

by dirkdk 10y ago

endlessvoid94 10y ago

Like what features?

mackey 10y ago
Siri in iOS 10 is a pretty major one.
- st3v3r 10y ago
  You mean the same OS that opened up the Siri API?
  - Me1000 10y ago
    The Siri API doesn't support music.
    - MBCook 10y ago
      I imagine it will it some point, but you're right right now that's only available for Apple. That means the question is: is the lack of Siri integration a big enough hindrance that it should be considered unlawful interference with competition?
pen2l 10y ago
Funny you ask -- because boy do I have an answer. Last week I officially switched (reluctantly and with a bad taste in my mouth) from Spotify to Apple Music. Why? Simply because when I'm driving I want to dictate by voice command what song I want to play. I could not do this with Spotify, that's why I switched. Next time I won't get an iphone because of the bad taste this experience has left me (the worst part is apple's voice transcription technology is so bad compared to Google's... so half the time even that doesn't work)
- vitd 10y ago
  I'm curious - I see that Midomi Sound Hound now has voice recognition in iOS 9, which I assume it gets from either licensing Google Now, Cortana, or directly from the companies that provide functionality for those. Why couldn't Spotify just do that? Would that solve your problem?
  - pen2l 10y ago
    You would still need to find your way to the Spotify app though, so that defeats the point -- because you have to use your hand to unlock the phone, open the app, etc. Compare this with being able to play a song by simply saying "Hey Siri play Beatles' Rain"... and that is it.
    - scarface74 10y ago
      "hey siri open Spotify" works fine.
      - pen2l 10y ago
        ... And then find your way to search icon, click x to clear current query, hit microphone icon to say song name? By this point I've probably killed 9 people on the road while driving. Compare this with "hey Siri play bob Dylan's blowing in the wind" and it working just with this
        scarface74 10y ago
        The previous post was saying that Spotify could implement their own voice recognition once launched.
        pen2l 10y ago
        But that's still more than simply "Hey Siri play something by Rolling stones" or "Ok google play some Johnny Cash" Apple should have opened Siri to spotify.

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tdkl 10y ago

Except Apple/iOS doesn't have the majority market share as MS did. (not that I don't despise this, just stating).

dirkdk 10y ago
True. Just that I bet with the $$$ that iPhone owners have, a massive chunk of Spotify's revenue comes from iPhone owners
UnoriginalGuy 10y ago
Apple have 100% of the market share in distributing apps in the Apple ecosystem. If you define the "market" as the ecosystem then Apple is in monopolistic control of it, and by extension violates competition law.
- xemoka 10y ago
  In that case, Facebook has a 100% monopoly on its website, I want it to be opened up so anyone can add pages without oversight! Or Twitter! Or hacker news! Why should we have to follow the rules of the platform as chosen by its creators? (Straw man and all that)
  - UnoriginalGuy 10y ago
    You're conflating a website owned and operating by the company, and consumer's personal devices owned and operated by the consumer.
    - redial 10y ago
      Should Microsoft be forced to let Sony sell Playstation games on the XBox?
      - UnoriginalGuy 10y ago
        If Microsoft chooses to operate a store on the XBox, it should give its own services and competing services an even playing field. It is anti-consumer to do otherwise, which is why competition laws exist. A better analogy would be if Microsoft opened an app store on the XBox (which they have/do) and then blocked Sony from selling apps there, or charged Sony a premium rate.

MBCook 10y ago

Apple Music isn't free. That was what Microsoft in the cut them in so much trouble.