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Actually I might argue there is a difference. Going through selective breeding means the plants/animals live long enough to reproduce and likely reproduce sexu

Actually I might argue there is a difference. Going through selective breeding means the plants/animals live long enough to reproduce and likely reproduce sexually. Cloning + GMOs means you can make things that don't need to go through this process but still exist and serve some purpose.

Natsu 10y ago
That would seem to argue that severely deleterious effects will only persist as long as people keep creating more of that modification and thus preventing unwanted spread of such things. If anything, my only real concern with GMOs relates to the IP rights and how it could give Monsanto & co. too much control over our food supply, but that's a legal issue, not a safety issue and it's not a good reason to oppose them outright.
- dmritard96 10y ago
  "That would seem to argue that severely deleterious effects will only persist as long as people keep creating more of that modification and thus preventing unwanted spread of such things." Eh, sorta. I didn't say it precludes living a long time or reproduction, more that its not a necessity. I don't have huge concerns with GMOs but do worry more on the ecological side - specifically biodiversity and whether superspecies will have larger unintended impacts than we predict today. The flip side to this is that using less resources to produce our food is a tremendously under-discussed ecological benefit of GMOs.
- sampo 10y ago
  > my only real concern with GMOs relates to the IP rights Also non-GMO varieties can be patented and have been patented. I see no reason why your IP concerns should be limited to GMO varieties only.
  - Natsu 10y ago
    They are not. My concerns range for the patenting of any lifeform.
JumpCrisscross 10y ago
> Going through selective breeding means the plants/animals live long enough to reproduce and likely reproduce sexually. Apples aren't allowed to reproduce—a sexually-produced apple tastes like crap. We preserve a specific genotype through grafting.
- adrr 10y ago
  Bananas is another example but they can't reproduce because they don't have seeds. To get the cultivar was like hitting the mega million lotto in the selective breeding process.
- dmritard96 10y ago
  I guess I wasn't sure if thats breeding (aka a semantic and probably less important point but still not sure if grafting is breeding). Could see arguments both ways

Natsu 10y ago

That would seem to argue that severely deleterious effects will only persist as long as people keep creating more of that modification and thus preventing unwanted spread of such things. If anything, my only real concern with GMOs relates to the IP rights and how it could give Monsanto & co. too much control over our food supply, but that's a legal issue, not a safety issue and it's not a good reason to oppose them outright.

dmritard96 10y ago
"That would seem to argue that severely deleterious effects will only persist as long as people keep creating more of that modification and thus preventing unwanted spread of such things." Eh, sorta. I didn't say it precludes living a long time or reproduction, more that its not a necessity. I don't have huge concerns with GMOs but do worry more on the ecological side - specifically biodiversity and whether superspecies will have larger unintended impacts than we predict today. The flip side to this is that using less resources to produce our food is a tremendously under-discussed ecological benefit of GMOs.
sampo 10y ago
> my only real concern with GMOs relates to the IP rights Also non-GMO varieties can be patented and have been patented. I see no reason why your IP concerns should be limited to GMO varieties only.
- Natsu 10y ago
  They are not. My concerns range for the patenting of any lifeform.

JumpCrisscross 10y ago

> Going through selective breeding means the plants/animals live long enough to reproduce and likely reproduce sexually. Apples aren't allowed to reproduce—a sexually-produced apple tastes like crap. We preserve a specific genotype through grafting.

adrr 10y ago
Bananas is another example but they can't reproduce because they don't have seeds. To get the cultivar was like hitting the mega million lotto in the selective breeding process.
dmritard96 10y ago
I guess I wasn't sure if thats breeding (aka a semantic and probably less important point but still not sure if grafting is breeding). Could see arguments both ways