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No love for FreeBSD, OpenBSD, etc? Doesn't the cloud run on the internet? What does the internet run on? Is it primarily Linux? Is it turtles all the way down?
by gjkood 10y ago
No love for FreeBSD, OpenBSD, etc? Doesn't the cloud run on the internet? What does the internet run on? Is it primarily Linux? Is it turtles all the way down?
- rsync 10y agoThe first VPS provider (JohnCompanies, 2001) ran entirely on FreeBSD and continues to run (mostly) on FreeBSD to this day. rsync.net runs entirely on FreeBSD. Oh By (0x.co) runs entirely on FreeBSD.
- gtrubetskoy 10y agoThe first VPS provider was most likely Utah-based iServer, and it ran on BSDi, then later on FreeBSD. iServer was acquired by Verio in 1998: http://www.internetnews.com/isp-news/article.php/42301/Verio+Acquires+iServer.htm http://www.internetnews.com/isp-news/article.php/42301/Verio... Interestingly, this was jail-based hosting, i.e. not unlike what Docker is. You can say they were a little bit ahead of their times.
- tbyehl 10y agoI still have some of my mail going through one of their VPS on an employee account. FreeBSD 4.7. shudder The BSDi stuff pre-dated jails but was effectively the same thing.
- marcosdumay 10y agoInfrastructure runs mostly on Linux. Just try finding a BSD based router. It is indeed turtles all the way down. What is most unfortunate because Linux does not have the best security record around.
- lwhalen 10y agowww.pfsense.org; highly rated, well-respected in the routing space.
- detaro 10y agoJuniper JunOS is a FreeBSD-variant. Many other manufacturers use neither Linux nor BSD.
- rsync 10y ago"Infrastructure runs mostly on Linux. Just try finding a BSD based router." You mean, like Juniper routers and switches ?[1] Host-based routers have historically been nearly completely comprised of BSD. Almost universally. This is because for almost two decades the BPF[2] was far superior to anything linux had to offer. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junos_OS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junos_OS [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Packet_Filter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Packet_Filter
- nickpsecurity 10y agoOne of best forewalls, the old Sidewinders, were a BSD derivative as well. I imagine a few more showed up after McAffee acquired SCC.
- drzaiusapelord 10y ago>Infrastructure runs mostly on Linux. Uh, no. Telecom infrastructure is routers and switches by proprietary vendors like Cisco, Adtran, etc. The world's fiber isn't connected to some kid's linux or pfsense box for routing. Its connected to a RTOS that's battle-tested, supported, etc.
- marcosdumay 10y agoHum... not that much. I partially take back my comment, but only because there were plenty of vendors using BSD. As much as I would wish it to be a micro-kernel RTOS with just the needed functionality, it often isn't.
- drzaiusapelord 10y agoYeah maybe when it reaches Ma and Pa's Cloud hosting service, but the internet itself, as in the big telecom companies are not running things on a janky BSD box. They're using RTOS based equipment from vendors with strict SLAs, lots of redundancy, etc.
- walrus01 10y agoNot Linux, but JunOS on seriously large core routers (T1600, MX960, etc) is a direct FreeBSD derivative.
- irrational 10y agoYou are thinking of the earth. The Internet is penguins all the way down.