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Well, Nigel Farage immediately claimed after the vote was finished that he lied about one of the key statements made during the campaign (£350M/week to be spent

by sleavey 10y ago

Well, Nigel Farage immediately claimed after the vote was finished that he lied about one of the key statements made during the campaign (£350M/week to be spent on NHS instead of EU). Does that qualify as a major fact changing?

perlgeek 10y ago
As an outsider, this didn't surprise me very much, so I wouldn't count it. I mean, it's obvious that even though the UK may be paying more money to the EU than it receives, there are other ways in which the UK massively benefits from the EU, which will be gone after Brexit is done. So that money isn't all available. It is also not very unusual for politicians to promise more than they can keep.
- pbhjpbhj 10y ago
  It was a huge lie, after immigration it was probably the biggest vote winner. Personally I think the Leave voters just realised that what they thought was an irrelevant naming convention is going to have serious hardships in store. Seriously: Johnson & Farage, the lead personalities of the Leave campaign have come out and said the £350 million doesn't exist. Others are saying, from the Leave campaign that we'll maintain the status quo with European trading. I'd love for us to take it back, but if they were going to do that they shouldn't have campaigned to leave. The Bank of England had plans for handling the financial downturn, uncertainty, and avoiding panic. Seems that none of the politicians for Leave bothered to think beyond the vote itself. Politicians campaigning on a specific point should face prison for fraud when they U-turn on this scale. I'm not happy just to shrug and say 'what scoundrels, eh'; it's bloody criminal, far worse than any of the normal criminal frauds.
- DanBC 10y ago
  > here are other ways in which the UK massively benefits from the EU, See Cornwall, who voted leave but now want the money that they were getting from the EU to be protected. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-cornwall-issues-plea-for-funding-protection-after-county-overwhelmingly-votes-in-favour-of-a7101311.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-cornwa... > It is also not very unusual for politicians to promise more than they can keep. It's unusual for the lie to be so blatant, repeated so often, so obviously wrong, and retracted immediately after the polls close. Here's a picture of Boris by a sign created for the Leave campaign. It says "Let's give our NHS the £350 million the EU takes every week" https://twitter.com/mgtmccartney/status/746245181532418048 https://twitter.com/mgtmccartney/status/746245181532418048 Here's a picture of their campaign bus. That says "We send the EU £350 million a week. Let's fund our NHS instead" https://twitter.com/mgtmccartney/status/746245181532418048 https://twitter.com/mgtmccartney/status/746245181532418048 There's a bunch of interviews with Leave campaigners saying this money would go to the NHS. (And also being challenged on it). Here's Farage, on the morning of the results, explaining that saying it was a "mistake" to say the £350m per week would go to the NHS. https://twitter.com/GMB/status/746218028195426305 https://twitter.com/GMB/status/746218028195426305
HoopleHead 10y ago
If you want to have a re-vote after every referendum/election wherein one of the campaigning politicians lied, you might as well live in the polling station, as that's where you'll be spending all your time. Also. It was a referendum, not an election. Farage wasn't officially representing "The NO Party" or making official policy statements. He's not even a member of parliament, never mind the government. So what he said or didn't say before the vote had about as much official standing as what your postman of milkman said —even if it did get airtime because of his notoriety. Please try and think things through just a wee bit, before making such naïve suggestions.
Tenoke 10y ago
That promise was not in any way made by Farage, it was made by Boris Johnson and co.[1] [2] I don't like Farage, and I hate the leave vote, but his criticism of it was honest given that he was definitely not the one who made the promise. For what is worth, he was criticising them (though not sure about this specific point) from before.[3] 1. http://leftfootforward.org/2016/05/boris-johnsons-brexit-bus-is-peddling-a-lie-we-dont-send-eu-350m-a-week/ http://leftfootforward.org/2016/05/boris-johnsons-brexit-bus... 2. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3584627/The-Boris-blunder-bus-Boris-Johnson-accused-hypocrisy-kicks-nationwide-Brexit-tour-GERMAN-bus.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3584627/The-Boris-bl... 3.http://www.politico.eu/article/nigel-farage-ukip-leader-vote-leave-brexit-referendum-eu-boris-johnson/ http://www.politico.eu/article/nigel-farage-ukip-leader-vote...

by sleavey 10y ago

perlgeek 10y ago

As an outsider, this didn't surprise me very much, so I wouldn't count it. I mean, it's obvious that even though the UK may be paying more money to the EU than it receives, there are other ways in which the UK massively benefits from the EU, which will be gone after Brexit is done. So that money isn't all available. It is also not very unusual for politicians to promise more than they can keep.

pbhjpbhj 10y ago
It was a huge lie, after immigration it was probably the biggest vote winner. Personally I think the Leave voters just realised that what they thought was an irrelevant naming convention is going to have serious hardships in store. Seriously: Johnson & Farage, the lead personalities of the Leave campaign have come out and said the £350 million doesn't exist. Others are saying, from the Leave campaign that we'll maintain the status quo with European trading. I'd love for us to take it back, but if they were going to do that they shouldn't have campaigned to leave. The Bank of England had plans for handling the financial downturn, uncertainty, and avoiding panic. Seems that none of the politicians for Leave bothered to think beyond the vote itself. Politicians campaigning on a specific point should face prison for fraud when they U-turn on this scale. I'm not happy just to shrug and say 'what scoundrels, eh'; it's bloody criminal, far worse than any of the normal criminal frauds.
DanBC 10y ago
> here are other ways in which the UK massively benefits from the EU, See Cornwall, who voted leave but now want the money that they were getting from the EU to be protected. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-cornwall-issues-plea-for-funding-protection-after-county-overwhelmingly-votes-in-favour-of-a7101311.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-cornwa... > It is also not very unusual for politicians to promise more than they can keep. It's unusual for the lie to be so blatant, repeated so often, so obviously wrong, and retracted immediately after the polls close. Here's a picture of Boris by a sign created for the Leave campaign. It says "Let's give our NHS the £350 million the EU takes every week" https://twitter.com/mgtmccartney/status/746245181532418048 https://twitter.com/mgtmccartney/status/746245181532418048 Here's a picture of their campaign bus. That says "We send the EU £350 million a week. Let's fund our NHS instead" https://twitter.com/mgtmccartney/status/746245181532418048 https://twitter.com/mgtmccartney/status/746245181532418048 There's a bunch of interviews with Leave campaigners saying this money would go to the NHS. (And also being challenged on it). Here's Farage, on the morning of the results, explaining that saying it was a "mistake" to say the £350m per week would go to the NHS. https://twitter.com/GMB/status/746218028195426305 https://twitter.com/GMB/status/746218028195426305

HoopleHead 10y ago

If you want to have a re-vote after every referendum/election wherein one of the campaigning politicians lied, you might as well live in the polling station, as that's where you'll be spending all your time. Also. It was a referendum, not an election. Farage wasn't officially representing "The NO Party" or making official policy statements. He's not even a member of parliament, never mind the government. So what he said or didn't say before the vote had about as much official standing as what your postman of milkman said —even if it did get airtime because of his notoriety. Please try and think things through just a wee bit, before making such naïve suggestions.

Tenoke 10y ago

That promise was not in any way made by Farage, it was made by Boris Johnson and co.[1] [2] I don't like Farage, and I hate the leave vote, but his criticism of it was honest given that he was definitely not the one who made the promise. For what is worth, he was criticising them (though not sure about this specific point) from before.[3] 1. http://leftfootforward.org/2016/05/boris-johnsons-brexit-bus-is-peddling-a-lie-we-dont-send-eu-350m-a-week/ http://leftfootforward.org/2016/05/boris-johnsons-brexit-bus... 2. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3584627/The-Boris-blunder-bus-Boris-Johnson-accused-hypocrisy-kicks-nationwide-Brexit-tour-GERMAN-bus.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3584627/The-Boris-bl... 3.http://www.politico.eu/article/nigel-farage-ukip-leader-vote-leave-brexit-referendum-eu-boris-johnson/ http://www.politico.eu/article/nigel-farage-ukip-leader-vote...