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> to regain independence. I hope that word doesn't stick. All EU countries are independent, as is the UK. For the sake of all 27 EU countries , please stop usi
by return0 10y ago
> to regain independence.
I hope that word doesn't stick. All EU countries are independent, as is the UK. For the sake of all 27 EU countries , please stop using divisive and wrong rhetoric.
> Long term, we now have control of our future.
I would like to hear one concrete way in which the future is going to be, after the negotiations, substantially different than what it is today.
> And can anyone on here really stand up for the idiotic cookie law? Can you stand up for the "html link tax"? That's just the tip of the iceberg with the meddling from the EU.
The cookie law and the lack of a small-business friendly common VAT policy are things to work on (html link tax does not exist), certainly not a reason for such a significant rift. OTOH, i hope you had stayed to enjoy zero data roaming fees within the next year.
> If you're pro-small business, then you should be excited about the opportunities we have now.
Sure. I use ebay.co.uk all the time, because apparently lots of sellers there willing to sell to the EU, and we have no import duties that way. Import duties is going to be a deal breaker for me. Exciting opportunities indeed.
- rayiner 10y ago> I hope that word doesn't stick. All EU countries are independent, as is the UK. For the sake of all 27 EU countries , please stop using divisive and wrong rhetoric. Lesson from the US: You can't have sovereigns with superior sovereigns. Individual US states are on paper sovereign, but in reality have been relegated to being administrative districts of the federal government with little meaningful right to self-determination independent of other states.
- return0 10y agoIts not like that, without a common language and currency, EU presence in the UK is not much more than a common set of certain standards.
- BuildTheRobots 10y agoStandards like Human Rights, which is something the UK has already expressed an interest in removing.
- return0 10y agoI don't think thats true
- BuildTheRobots 10y agoConservative manifesto of 2015. "Scrap the human rights act" and "curtail the role of the European court of human rights". This seemed to be reported more reputable UK news sources than just reddit (though your opinion of the guardian might vary). There certainly seems to be more substance to it than just "random internet claims" :( https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/21/government-human-rights-act-legal-europe-uk https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/21/govern...
- volatilitish 10y agoIt's like some people here are basing their opinions completely on "I read it online".
- roel_v 10y agoNothing to do with EU, Councel pf Europe != European Councel.
- hsitz 10y agoThe EU is not some sort of sovereign. It's an organization staffed by bureaucrats (i.e., unelected officials) for the purpose of furthering the agreed upon goals of the member sovereign states. Comparison with U.S. is ridiculous.
- rayiner 10y agoThere is an EU Parliament, and it can make binding law. So it's pretty disingenuous to make it seem like the UN or WTO.
- hsitz 10y agoThanks for that. I would suggest anyone who thinks an analogy of EU to U.S is appropriate review what the EU actually is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union
- davorb 10y agoThe European Parliment doesn't have the power to propose new laws.
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- return0 10y agoNot binding for citizens. local governments have to conform to EU laws though.
- ZenoArrow 10y agoNope. There are a few different types of EU legislation. Some have to be implemented by local governments as you say (e.g. EU directives), but some immediately become the law of the member countries after being passed in the EU. These are known as EU regulations. You can read more about the different types of EU legislation here: http://europa.eu/eu-law/decision-making/legal-acts/index_en.htm http://europa.eu/eu-law/decision-making/legal-acts/index_en....
- Tomte 10y agoThe EU is not nearly comparable to the US from a state-theoretic point of view.