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Good for the grandmother country to break out on its own. I've never had a high opinion of the EU. Mostly because of their ridiculous laws about the internet. I

Good for the grandmother country to break out on its own. I've never had a high opinion of the EU. Mostly because of their ridiculous laws about the internet. I'm happy about this and I hope it works out well.

gambiting 10y ago
There is a good chance that Theresa May becomes the next MP, and if she does, British internet will be much worse than anything you can find inside the EU - she already tried cracking down on open internet multiple times. If anything, EU would have protected UK from such stupid ideas.
- coderdude 10y ago
  Like I said, I hope the best for them. You can throw political propaganda at me all day long but I respect them for leaving.
  - gambiting 10y ago
    How is discussing possible options propaganda? And no, I have no respect for anyone who voted leave,they have fucked millions of people today without any plan how to improve things long term. If there was a plan,I would admire leavers for thinking long term - but there's nothing there.
- volatilitish 10y ago
  > There is a good chance that Theresa May becomes the next MP No, there isn't. Seriously, where are you getting your information from? Are you from the UK? There isn't a chance in hell Theresa May would even get shortlisted.
  - gambiting 10y ago
    Not a chance you say? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36618738 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36618738
dave_sullivan 10y ago
I've never had a high opinion of a divided Europe, mostly because of the two world wars that started there. The problems driving the brexit will not suddenly get better now. I'll put it this way: has economic isolationism ever made a country better off in the history of history? I can't think of a time.
- coderdude 10y ago
  It's not like all of trade is going to stop there. Isolationism, more like sensationalism.
- volatilitish 10y ago
  Do you think the breakup of the USSR was a good thing?
  - dave_sullivan 10y ago
    Ah, that's a good question. Yes and no. Yes because there were deep systemic problems with the government and economy of the USSR at the time and the breakup was an inevitable result of the powers that be doing the wrong thing for so many years while business and some of the most productive citizens fled to Europe and the US. We're seeing the same thing right now in Venezuela, although Venezuela was never the world's second superpower. Also, Russia's biggest gains (and maybe what saved them after the collapse?) was energy in the form of oil and gas. Venezuela too. If alternative, readily available energy sources take off, this makes natural reserves of oil and gas less useful. Again, we're seeing all this play out now. No because here we are today. The brexit and weakening of the EU will only strengthen Russia. Why support the EU over Russia? The EU, afaik, does not kill reporters and dissenters. That says a lot about a political organization's philosophy right there. In general, I think it would be great if everyone on the planet lived in some kind of operationally transparent, porous, federated political structure, and Britain's involvement in the EU was a big step in that direction (which still had many steps to go). This is a step backwards. Meanwhile, today's Russia would do a lot better if they tried a carrot instead of a stick. In any case, now is not the time for leaders to get up from the table and walk away, it doesn't lead anywhere good.

gambiting 10y ago

There is a good chance that Theresa May becomes the next MP, and if she does, British internet will be much worse than anything you can find inside the EU - she already tried cracking down on open internet multiple times. If anything, EU would have protected UK from such stupid ideas.

coderdude 10y ago
Like I said, I hope the best for them. You can throw political propaganda at me all day long but I respect them for leaving.
- gambiting 10y ago
  How is discussing possible options propaganda? And no, I have no respect for anyone who voted leave,they have fucked millions of people today without any plan how to improve things long term. If there was a plan,I would admire leavers for thinking long term - but there's nothing there.
volatilitish 10y ago
> There is a good chance that Theresa May becomes the next MP No, there isn't. Seriously, where are you getting your information from? Are you from the UK? There isn't a chance in hell Theresa May would even get shortlisted.
- gambiting 10y ago
  Not a chance you say? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36618738 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36618738

dave_sullivan 10y ago

I've never had a high opinion of a divided Europe, mostly because of the two world wars that started there. The problems driving the brexit will not suddenly get better now. I'll put it this way: has economic isolationism ever made a country better off in the history of history? I can't think of a time.

coderdude 10y ago
It's not like all of trade is going to stop there. Isolationism, more like sensationalism.
volatilitish 10y ago
Do you think the breakup of the USSR was a good thing?
- dave_sullivan 10y ago
  Ah, that's a good question. Yes and no. Yes because there were deep systemic problems with the government and economy of the USSR at the time and the breakup was an inevitable result of the powers that be doing the wrong thing for so many years while business and some of the most productive citizens fled to Europe and the US. We're seeing the same thing right now in Venezuela, although Venezuela was never the world's second superpower. Also, Russia's biggest gains (and maybe what saved them after the collapse?) was energy in the form of oil and gas. Venezuela too. If alternative, readily available energy sources take off, this makes natural reserves of oil and gas less useful. Again, we're seeing all this play out now. No because here we are today. The brexit and weakening of the EU will only strengthen Russia. Why support the EU over Russia? The EU, afaik, does not kill reporters and dissenters. That says a lot about a political organization's philosophy right there. In general, I think it would be great if everyone on the planet lived in some kind of operationally transparent, porous, federated political structure, and Britain's involvement in the EU was a big step in that direction (which still had many steps to go). This is a step backwards. Meanwhile, today's Russia would do a lot better if they tried a carrot instead of a stick. In any case, now is not the time for leaders to get up from the table and walk away, it doesn't lead anywhere good.