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What web framework is this on?

killercup 10y ago
Iron, apparently: https://github.com/dirk/metrics_distributor/blob/d29c897d156d7aa335561deaf2ae90b15da4ca80/Cargo.toml https://github.com/dirk/metrics_distributor/blob/d29c897d156...
- IshKebab 10y ago
  Which has very disappointing benchmarks at the moment - even slower than some Python and Ruby stacks: https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r12&hw=peak&test=plaintext https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r12&hw=... I'm not sure why this is - I've Googled to no avail - but it is rather worrying.
  - andrewflnr 10y ago
    When you see Rust being "slower than Ruby" it's usually because you forgot to turn off debug mode.
    - frewsxcv 10y ago
      Looks like they use build with release mode: https://github.com/TechEmpower/FrameworkBenchmarks/blob/master/frameworks/Rust/iron/setup.sh https://github.com/TechEmpower/FrameworkBenchmarks/blob/mast...
      - steveklabnik 10y ago
        So it's important to not compare master to when the benchmark was posted; remember, they do them at a certain time, then work happens. So like, I sent a PR to update Rust from 1.0 to 1.6 at one point, for example. That said, I don't think that missing out on --release was the issue here, as far as I know, it has always been on.
  - steveklabnik 10y ago
    I've been doing some work on these benchmarks. They appear really slow to me as well; I found the environment really hard to set up, though, so I haven't quite figured out how to identify why they're this way.
- Lewisham 10y ago
  I'm surprised people can use Iron at all. I tried really really hard to use it and found the complete lack of documentation (or, worse, outdated blog posts) made it impossible. Is there some magic necronomicon I'm missing? I had better luck with nickel.rs because it has an examples/ folder with quick recipes of most things you'd want to do.
  - PascalW 10y ago
    My experience exactly. Nickel.rs has a fairly good set of clear examples on its website and then some more on Github. Unfortunately it seems to be a common trend that Rust projects only provide API docs. While that can be useful I find more 'high level' docs much more helpful especially when you're new to the language and/or framework.
    - steveklabnik 10y ago
      We are in the early stages of having an official docs team; one of the things we want to do is figure out how to encourage better ecosystem docs. Towards that end, right now is the first "doc days": https://facility9.com/2016/06/announcing-rust-doc-days/ https://facility9.com/2016/06/announcing-rust-doc-days/ we'll be focusing on the rust-lang-nursery crates this time, but will focus on the ecosystem ones in the future! EDIT: Oh, and I've wanted a good way for Cargo to produce additional, non-API docs through a top-level "docs" directory, but haven't found the time to properly implement it yet :/
      - PascalW 10y ago
        Better tooling will definitely help but I think it will mainly come to focus and priority. Some packages like Serde for example do provide higher level docs located with the API docs which can work fine.

Iron, apparently: https://github.com/dirk/metrics_distributor/blob/d29c897d156d7aa335561deaf2ae90b15da4ca80/Cargo.toml https://github.com/dirk/metrics_distributor/blob/d29c897d156...

IshKebab 10y ago
Which has very disappointing benchmarks at the moment - even slower than some Python and Ruby stacks: https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r12&hw=peak&test=plaintext https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r12&hw=... I'm not sure why this is - I've Googled to no avail - but it is rather worrying.
- andrewflnr 10y ago
  When you see Rust being "slower than Ruby" it's usually because you forgot to turn off debug mode.
  - frewsxcv 10y ago
    Looks like they use build with release mode: https://github.com/TechEmpower/FrameworkBenchmarks/blob/master/frameworks/Rust/iron/setup.sh https://github.com/TechEmpower/FrameworkBenchmarks/blob/mast...
    - steveklabnik 10y ago
      So it's important to not compare master to when the benchmark was posted; remember, they do them at a certain time, then work happens. So like, I sent a PR to update Rust from 1.0 to 1.6 at one point, for example. That said, I don't think that missing out on --release was the issue here, as far as I know, it has always been on.
- steveklabnik 10y ago
  I've been doing some work on these benchmarks. They appear really slow to me as well; I found the environment really hard to set up, though, so I haven't quite figured out how to identify why they're this way.
Lewisham 10y ago
I'm surprised people can use Iron at all. I tried really really hard to use it and found the complete lack of documentation (or, worse, outdated blog posts) made it impossible. Is there some magic necronomicon I'm missing? I had better luck with nickel.rs because it has an examples/ folder with quick recipes of most things you'd want to do.
- PascalW 10y ago
  My experience exactly. Nickel.rs has a fairly good set of clear examples on its website and then some more on Github. Unfortunately it seems to be a common trend that Rust projects only provide API docs. While that can be useful I find more 'high level' docs much more helpful especially when you're new to the language and/or framework.
  - steveklabnik 10y ago
    We are in the early stages of having an official docs team; one of the things we want to do is figure out how to encourage better ecosystem docs. Towards that end, right now is the first "doc days": https://facility9.com/2016/06/announcing-rust-doc-days/ https://facility9.com/2016/06/announcing-rust-doc-days/ we'll be focusing on the rust-lang-nursery crates this time, but will focus on the ecosystem ones in the future! EDIT: Oh, and I've wanted a good way for Cargo to produce additional, non-API docs through a top-level "docs" directory, but haven't found the time to properly implement it yet :/
    - PascalW 10y ago
      Better tooling will definitely help but I think it will mainly come to focus and priority. Some packages like Serde for example do provide higher level docs located with the API docs which can work fine.