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> A very large part (about 75%) voted to stay in Europe Can you share the source of this data? I'd be interested in investigating. I agree with everything tha

by atmosx 10y ago

> A very large part (about 75%) voted to stay in Europe Can you share the source of this data? I'd be interested in investigating. I agree with everything that you said. Taking a glimpse at the history of the EU starting from the 2nd WW, Bretton Woods, Nixon Shock brought us 2008 is very well documented in Varoufakis latest book[1]. I travelled lately from Greece to Bulgaria and to Turkey. Having border controls really feels like 1980 and I believe it adds NOTHING to security. It's just a sign of hostility towards the neighbour country. Ideally borders should be like the ones the Swiss have with Austria or Austrians with Czechs. But unlike technology, society progresses in cycles... My hope is that brussels will get re-shaped in a more democratic way, stop abiding to stupid rules and start looking after the prosperity of the remaining members of the Eurozone. But doesn't look good :-( [1] "And the week suffer what they must?", goodreads URL: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24886497-and-the-weak-suffer-what-they-must https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24886497-and-the-weak-su...

Sharlin 10y ago
> I travelled lately from Greece to Bulgaria and to Turkey. Having border controls really feels like 1980 and I believe it adds NOTHING to security. It's just a sign of hostility towards the neighbour country. Ideally borders should be like the ones the Swiss have with Austria or Austrians with Czechs. UK border controls, though, probably aren't going to change much. They never had open borders, although they did - and will probably continue to - have mutual agreements on somewhat less strict border formalities with most Schengen countries (eg. a national ID is enough to enter, no passport required, but you still have to go through passport control).
- atmosx 10y ago
  Right, right. I totally forgot because the border controls in the UK didn't look like the ones Turkey has in place. Bulgaria (which is 40k away from my town) had very lose controls. They had been tightened lately, I'm guessing because of the refugee crisis.
  - ommunist 10y ago
    Very tight now in Bulgaria. Just passed in, never been so strict there.
- CaptainZapp 10y ago
  no passport required That's true. But I strongly advise to use your passport (if it's a biometric one) instead of the id card if you come from an eligeable country. Especially when entering the UK in Heathrow. A biometric passport of those countries gets you through the automated passport control gates, which makes the whole process significantly faster an much less painful.
  - kuschku 10y ago
    You realize the new EU ID cards also have biometric features? The German one, for example, is a full eID even.
    - CaptainZapp 10y ago
      Maybe. But to my recollection a passport is required to use those gates. If I recall correctly: Minimum age requirements; kids are not allowed A biometric passport A passport from an eligable coutry. Essentially the EU, Island, Norway, Switzerland and potentially a few more
fractalwrench 10y ago
According to the polls, the 18-34 age group were mostly in favour of remaining, whereas 45+ where mostly in favour of leaving. There are other divisions across the country - Scotland and London were distinctly in favour of remaining, and economically deprived areas tended to favour leaving. The BBC has a good summary of the results here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36616028 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36616028
- internaut 10y ago
  > According to the polls Let me stop you right there.

by atmosx 10y ago

Sharlin 10y ago

> I travelled lately from Greece to Bulgaria and to Turkey. Having border controls really feels like 1980 and I believe it adds NOTHING to security. It's just a sign of hostility towards the neighbour country. Ideally borders should be like the ones the Swiss have with Austria or Austrians with Czechs. UK border controls, though, probably aren't going to change much. They never had open borders, although they did - and will probably continue to - have mutual agreements on somewhat less strict border formalities with most Schengen countries (eg. a national ID is enough to enter, no passport required, but you still have to go through passport control).

atmosx 10y ago
Right, right. I totally forgot because the border controls in the UK didn't look like the ones Turkey has in place. Bulgaria (which is 40k away from my town) had very lose controls. They had been tightened lately, I'm guessing because of the refugee crisis.
- ommunist 10y ago
  Very tight now in Bulgaria. Just passed in, never been so strict there.
CaptainZapp 10y ago
no passport required That's true. But I strongly advise to use your passport (if it's a biometric one) instead of the id card if you come from an eligeable country. Especially when entering the UK in Heathrow. A biometric passport of those countries gets you through the automated passport control gates, which makes the whole process significantly faster an much less painful.
- kuschku 10y ago
  You realize the new EU ID cards also have biometric features? The German one, for example, is a full eID even.
  - CaptainZapp 10y ago
    Maybe. But to my recollection a passport is required to use those gates. If I recall correctly: Minimum age requirements; kids are not allowed A biometric passport A passport from an eligable coutry. Essentially the EU, Island, Norway, Switzerland and potentially a few more

fractalwrench 10y ago

According to the polls, the 18-34 age group were mostly in favour of remaining, whereas 45+ where mostly in favour of leaving. There are other divisions across the country - Scotland and London were distinctly in favour of remaining, and economically deprived areas tended to favour leaving. The BBC has a good summary of the results here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36616028 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36616028

internaut 10y ago
> According to the polls Let me stop you right there.