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A lot of hate for him came from his inherited wealth. He had no idea how austerity was hitting people. Everyone I know who works has given up going on holiday,

A lot of hate for him came from his inherited wealth. He had no idea how austerity was hitting people. Everyone I know who works has given up going on holiday, buying cars, buying nice food. We're all sick of it. There is plenty of money in the UK and watching a rich PM tell us to tighten our belts.... psh.

simonbarker87 10y ago
Really!? Everyone I know who works is very pleased with how the economy has recovered, many friends under 30 have bought a house (without parental help), many are nearing 40% tax bracket and my Facebook feed is full of people going on holiday. Not sure which UK you are living in but the one I'm in is pretty nice - well it was, until this vote. And before you say I'm in some kind of elite I run a small factory in the north east of England and even my lower paid members of staff go on holiday once a year.
- DanBC 10y ago
  > Not sure which UK you are living in The UK where waiting times for A&E are at the longest they've been for years; where waiting times for NHS consultant-led treatment are at the longest they've been since they introduced maximum wait times; where there are no in-patient MH beds for adults (seriously, just last week all adult inpatient MH beds in the country were occupied. (This significantly increases risk of suicide)); where the rates of suicide are increasing (after many years of decline) (and we know that economic decline increases rates of suicide).
  - junto 10y ago
    That's nothing to do with the EU. That's years of neglect, lack of investment and poor management by a series of UK governments both Tory and Labour. If we want a good health service and good schools then we need to invest. There problem is the only way that is going to happen is if we borrow the money (Labour tried that - no thanks), or you raise taxes. Raising taxes political suicide, which no party wants to do, especially the Tories. Then it needs to actually be managed wisely with a clear plan of operational action for a longer period than five years between each national election. These things take time, and each time we swap leadership they throw out the plan and start from scratch. It's like a constant series of pivots in no particular direction.
    - DanBC 10y ago
      No, I know it's nothing to do with the EU. That's the point - people were told by Brexit that leaving the EU would free up £350m per week, and the money would be spent on NHS. I know that was a lie, you know it was a lie, but many people believed them. The Sustainability and Transformation Plans were looking rough before brexit. I dread to think what they'll be like now.
- IshKebab 10y ago
  > many friends under 30 have bought a house (without parental help) Wow really? Do you live up north? Or have rich friends? I mean I think the UK economy is in pretty good shape (especially compared to the rest of the world), but let's not pretend that houses are remotely affordable.
  - toyg 10y ago
    >north east of England Property market here in the north is nowhere as crazy as in London. Which is why the constant moans about it in national media are extremely grating for us (it's actually hard to flog houses, over here).
  - gambiting 10y ago
    You can buy a house in the North for 100-200k without any problems, and saving 10k for a deposit is not exactly difficult if you have a job. I'm in the same situation as OP, live in UK, everyone I know is quite well off and the economy is doing very well for us(or was until today).
    - monk_e_boy 10y ago
      I think I'm one of those rare people who lurk on hackernews, but who's friends are normal working types. Nurses, janitors, teachers, teaching assistants, plumbers, electricians, carpetenters, fisher men. None of these people are on your facebook feed, or hackernews comment section. These are the people who have had enough of all this crap. We're not stupid. We're just poor.
      - evgen 10y ago
        Well you sure aren't going to get any richer now. This is going to have an unpleasant impact on the UK economy (not as bad as the gloom and doom of this morning's news, but bad) and I can assure you that the pain is not going to be felt much at the top end. Get ready for your grocery bill to go up by 20% in the next few weeks and for a massive wave of redundancies.
- pas 10y ago
  People are more likely to post (and like) holiday pictures than we have no money pictures.
  - simonbarker87 10y ago
    You still need the money to go on holiday in the first place and the OPs point was that working people in the UK can't afford to go on holiday.
    - lkiernan 10y ago
      FWIW you don't, the level of debt some people have is staggering.
    - pas 10y ago
      We live in a world where a few percent GDP drop is a recession. It does not mean _everyone_ suddenly lacks money to buy a plane ticket. But when a few percent means tens of millions of people, I don't really think we should base our (economic and other kind of) policies on some dude's Facebook stream. There are working people who will just get laid off, because they have been hired to - let's say - coordinate a "shared service center" enlargement, but now that won't happen, because the company will instead freeze every expansive project in the UK due to the suddenly increased uncertainty, and that guy (gal) will probably won't go on holiday, though he (she) will have a lot of free time to like the holiday posts of others on Facebook.
- keithpeter 10y ago
  What does your factory manufacture? PS: Good luck with it, lovely part of the country.
jacquesm 10y ago
Better prepare for some more belt tightening, whether the PM tells you to or not that's the direction this will go in now.
- tonyedgecombe 10y ago
  Yes, whatever you think about the debate, now is probably a time for saving.
lostlogin 10y ago
>A lot of hate for him came from his inherited wealth. He had no idea how austerity was hitting people. The later not the former. You can inherit wealth and retain humanity.

simonbarker87 10y ago

Really!? Everyone I know who works is very pleased with how the economy has recovered, many friends under 30 have bought a house (without parental help), many are nearing 40% tax bracket and my Facebook feed is full of people going on holiday. Not sure which UK you are living in but the one I'm in is pretty nice - well it was, until this vote. And before you say I'm in some kind of elite I run a small factory in the north east of England and even my lower paid members of staff go on holiday once a year.

DanBC 10y ago
> Not sure which UK you are living in The UK where waiting times for A&E are at the longest they've been for years; where waiting times for NHS consultant-led treatment are at the longest they've been since they introduced maximum wait times; where there are no in-patient MH beds for adults (seriously, just last week all adult inpatient MH beds in the country were occupied. (This significantly increases risk of suicide)); where the rates of suicide are increasing (after many years of decline) (and we know that economic decline increases rates of suicide).
- junto 10y ago
  That's nothing to do with the EU. That's years of neglect, lack of investment and poor management by a series of UK governments both Tory and Labour. If we want a good health service and good schools then we need to invest. There problem is the only way that is going to happen is if we borrow the money (Labour tried that - no thanks), or you raise taxes. Raising taxes political suicide, which no party wants to do, especially the Tories. Then it needs to actually be managed wisely with a clear plan of operational action for a longer period than five years between each national election. These things take time, and each time we swap leadership they throw out the plan and start from scratch. It's like a constant series of pivots in no particular direction.
  - DanBC 10y ago
    No, I know it's nothing to do with the EU. That's the point - people were told by Brexit that leaving the EU would free up £350m per week, and the money would be spent on NHS. I know that was a lie, you know it was a lie, but many people believed them. The Sustainability and Transformation Plans were looking rough before brexit. I dread to think what they'll be like now.
IshKebab 10y ago
> many friends under 30 have bought a house (without parental help) Wow really? Do you live up north? Or have rich friends? I mean I think the UK economy is in pretty good shape (especially compared to the rest of the world), but let's not pretend that houses are remotely affordable.
- toyg 10y ago
  >north east of England Property market here in the north is nowhere as crazy as in London. Which is why the constant moans about it in national media are extremely grating for us (it's actually hard to flog houses, over here).
- gambiting 10y ago
  You can buy a house in the North for 100-200k without any problems, and saving 10k for a deposit is not exactly difficult if you have a job. I'm in the same situation as OP, live in UK, everyone I know is quite well off and the economy is doing very well for us(or was until today).
  - monk_e_boy 10y ago
    I think I'm one of those rare people who lurk on hackernews, but who's friends are normal working types. Nurses, janitors, teachers, teaching assistants, plumbers, electricians, carpetenters, fisher men. None of these people are on your facebook feed, or hackernews comment section. These are the people who have had enough of all this crap. We're not stupid. We're just poor.
    - evgen 10y ago
      Well you sure aren't going to get any richer now. This is going to have an unpleasant impact on the UK economy (not as bad as the gloom and doom of this morning's news, but bad) and I can assure you that the pain is not going to be felt much at the top end. Get ready for your grocery bill to go up by 20% in the next few weeks and for a massive wave of redundancies.
pas 10y ago
People are more likely to post (and like) holiday pictures than we have no money pictures.
- simonbarker87 10y ago
  You still need the money to go on holiday in the first place and the OPs point was that working people in the UK can't afford to go on holiday.
  - lkiernan 10y ago
    FWIW you don't, the level of debt some people have is staggering.
  - pas 10y ago
    We live in a world where a few percent GDP drop is a recession. It does not mean _everyone_ suddenly lacks money to buy a plane ticket. But when a few percent means tens of millions of people, I don't really think we should base our (economic and other kind of) policies on some dude's Facebook stream. There are working people who will just get laid off, because they have been hired to - let's say - coordinate a "shared service center" enlargement, but now that won't happen, because the company will instead freeze every expansive project in the UK due to the suddenly increased uncertainty, and that guy (gal) will probably won't go on holiday, though he (she) will have a lot of free time to like the holiday posts of others on Facebook.
keithpeter 10y ago
What does your factory manufacture? PS: Good luck with it, lovely part of the country.

jacquesm 10y ago

Better prepare for some more belt tightening, whether the PM tells you to or not that's the direction this will go in now.

tonyedgecombe 10y ago
Yes, whatever you think about the debate, now is probably a time for saving.

lostlogin 10y ago

>A lot of hate for him came from his inherited wealth. He had no idea how austerity was hitting people. The later not the former. You can inherit wealth and retain humanity.