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> He is the biggest looser in this situation Except he isn't, really -- he loses his political position, but he and his family won't be existentially affected

> He is the biggest looser in this situation Except he isn't, really -- he loses his political position, but he and his family won't be existentially affected by what's going to happen, as opposed to probably tens of millions of people all around Europe.

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dragonmum 10y ago
The EU's common agricultural policy was actively favoring and subsidizing large EU based multinationals and blocking entry into the market by small scale farmers and producers in developing countries. Seems to me like a huge new market called "the UK" just opened up for genuine and fair trade. So overall, this is probably good for hundreds of millions of people around the world.
- viraptor 10y ago
  The policies don't have to change. It's not like the UK severs all the connections with everyone. Multinationals will stay and ensure the new policies and trade treaties allow them to continue.
- ivan_gammel 10y ago
  Isn't UK going to protect its own businesses and jobs? Not everyone is pro-trade in Leave camp, afaik.
  - tonyedgecombe 10y ago
    Yes, the UK still grows half it's own food, those businesses will be lobbying hard.
- YeGoblynQueenne 10y ago
  At last UK farmers can sell their top quality fruit and vegetables to the rest of the world.
  - StrangeWhiff 10y ago
    Not without trade agreements that may take years to negotiate. Also, UK farmers get over half their income from EU subsidies. So many of them are going to go bankrupt unless they get bailed out/supported by the government. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11967049/Brexit-is-a-life-or-death-matter-for-Britains-farmers.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11967049/Brexit...
    - keithpeter 10y ago
      Its a Tory government, of course they will be supported. Green wellies &c. Manufacturing not so much.
    - YeGoblynQueenne 10y ago
      Sorry, I thought my sarcasm was evident. To anyone who's tasted UK-grown fruit and veg, it must be.
  - junto 10y ago
    There is nobody left to pick it. We are about to throw out ask the Romanians and Bulgarians who do that hard graft, because no Brit will do the hard work for little money.
- emp_zealoth 10y ago
  Just what. Poland pretty much had only small scale farmers (Apart from some post-communist behemoths that were gangrenic) when it joined the EU. Our farmers have never been better or stronger, 15 years ago going to a countryside was like time travel to 1950. Now the countryside actually is a place to live. Same in Austria or Italy. The cooperatives there function properly. What are you on about?
  - dragonmum 10y ago
    Please read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Agricultural_Policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Agricultural_Policy The Common Agricultural Policy (CAP) is the agricultural policy of the European Union. It implements a system of agricultural subsidies and other programmes. It has been repeatedly criticised for its cost (€57.8 billion in 2014)[1] and its environmental and humanitarian effects, including raising food prices and stalling development in poorer countries by preventing them from exporting food to the EU.
- keithpeter 10y ago
  "a huge new market called "the UK" just opened up for genuine and fair trade" That would be fun to see. How do these small farmers get stuff onto the shelves of Tesco and Lidl (while the latter are still trading here)? Room for some intermediation?
monk_e_boy 10y ago
A lot of hate for him came from his inherited wealth. He had no idea how austerity was hitting people. Everyone I know who works has given up going on holiday, buying cars, buying nice food. We're all sick of it. There is plenty of money in the UK and watching a rich PM tell us to tighten our belts.... psh.
- simonbarker87 10y ago
  Really!? Everyone I know who works is very pleased with how the economy has recovered, many friends under 30 have bought a house (without parental help), many are nearing 40% tax bracket and my Facebook feed is full of people going on holiday. Not sure which UK you are living in but the one I'm in is pretty nice - well it was, until this vote. And before you say I'm in some kind of elite I run a small factory in the north east of England and even my lower paid members of staff go on holiday once a year.
  - DanBC 10y ago
    > Not sure which UK you are living in The UK where waiting times for A&E are at the longest they've been for years; where waiting times for NHS consultant-led treatment are at the longest they've been since they introduced maximum wait times; where there are no in-patient MH beds for adults (seriously, just last week all adult inpatient MH beds in the country were occupied. (This significantly increases risk of suicide)); where the rates of suicide are increasing (after many years of decline) (and we know that economic decline increases rates of suicide).
    - junto 10y ago
      That's nothing to do with the EU. That's years of neglect, lack of investment and poor management by a series of UK governments both Tory and Labour. If we want a good health service and good schools then we need to invest. There problem is the only way that is going to happen is if we borrow the money (Labour tried that - no thanks), or you raise taxes. Raising taxes political suicide, which no party wants to do, especially the Tories. Then it needs to actually be managed wisely with a clear plan of operational action for a longer period than five years between each national election. These things take time, and each time we swap leadership they throw out the plan and start from scratch. It's like a constant series of pivots in no particular direction.
benevol 10y ago
> but he and his family won't be existentially affected by what's going to happen I'm pretty sure that he actually did think of his children.

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dragonmum 10y ago

The EU's common agricultural policy was actively favoring and subsidizing large EU based multinationals and blocking entry into the market by small scale farmers and producers in developing countries. Seems to me like a huge new market called "the UK" just opened up for genuine and fair trade. So overall, this is probably good for hundreds of millions of people around the world.

viraptor 10y ago
The policies don't have to change. It's not like the UK severs all the connections with everyone. Multinationals will stay and ensure the new policies and trade treaties allow them to continue.
ivan_gammel 10y ago
Isn't UK going to protect its own businesses and jobs? Not everyone is pro-trade in Leave camp, afaik.
- tonyedgecombe 10y ago
  Yes, the UK still grows half it's own food, those businesses will be lobbying hard.
YeGoblynQueenne 10y ago
At last UK farmers can sell their top quality fruit and vegetables to the rest of the world.
- StrangeWhiff 10y ago
  Not without trade agreements that may take years to negotiate. Also, UK farmers get over half their income from EU subsidies. So many of them are going to go bankrupt unless they get bailed out/supported by the government. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11967049/Brexit-is-a-life-or-death-matter-for-Britains-farmers.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11967049/Brexit...
  - keithpeter 10y ago
    Its a Tory government, of course they will be supported. Green wellies &c. Manufacturing not so much.
  - YeGoblynQueenne 10y ago
    Sorry, I thought my sarcasm was evident. To anyone who's tasted UK-grown fruit and veg, it must be.
- junto 10y ago
  There is nobody left to pick it. We are about to throw out ask the Romanians and Bulgarians who do that hard graft, because no Brit will do the hard work for little money.
emp_zealoth 10y ago
Just what. Poland pretty much had only small scale farmers (Apart from some post-communist behemoths that were gangrenic) when it joined the EU. Our farmers have never been better or stronger, 15 years ago going to a countryside was like time travel to 1950. Now the countryside actually is a place to live. Same in Austria or Italy. The cooperatives there function properly. What are you on about?
- dragonmum 10y ago
  Please read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Agricultural_Policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Agricultural_Policy The Common Agricultural Policy (CAP) is the agricultural policy of the European Union. It implements a system of agricultural subsidies and other programmes. It has been repeatedly criticised for its cost (€57.8 billion in 2014)[1] and its environmental and humanitarian effects, including raising food prices and stalling development in poorer countries by preventing them from exporting food to the EU.
keithpeter 10y ago
"a huge new market called "the UK" just opened up for genuine and fair trade" That would be fun to see. How do these small farmers get stuff onto the shelves of Tesco and Lidl (while the latter are still trading here)? Room for some intermediation?

monk_e_boy 10y ago

A lot of hate for him came from his inherited wealth. He had no idea how austerity was hitting people. Everyone I know who works has given up going on holiday, buying cars, buying nice food. We're all sick of it. There is plenty of money in the UK and watching a rich PM tell us to tighten our belts.... psh.

simonbarker87 10y ago
Really!? Everyone I know who works is very pleased with how the economy has recovered, many friends under 30 have bought a house (without parental help), many are nearing 40% tax bracket and my Facebook feed is full of people going on holiday. Not sure which UK you are living in but the one I'm in is pretty nice - well it was, until this vote. And before you say I'm in some kind of elite I run a small factory in the north east of England and even my lower paid members of staff go on holiday once a year.
- DanBC 10y ago
  > Not sure which UK you are living in The UK where waiting times for A&E are at the longest they've been for years; where waiting times for NHS consultant-led treatment are at the longest they've been since they introduced maximum wait times; where there are no in-patient MH beds for adults (seriously, just last week all adult inpatient MH beds in the country were occupied. (This significantly increases risk of suicide)); where the rates of suicide are increasing (after many years of decline) (and we know that economic decline increases rates of suicide).
  - junto 10y ago
    That's nothing to do with the EU. That's years of neglect, lack of investment and poor management by a series of UK governments both Tory and Labour. If we want a good health service and good schools then we need to invest. There problem is the only way that is going to happen is if we borrow the money (Labour tried that - no thanks), or you raise taxes. Raising taxes political suicide, which no party wants to do, especially the Tories. Then it needs to actually be managed wisely with a clear plan of operational action for a longer period than five years between each national election. These things take time, and each time we swap leadership they throw out the plan and start from scratch. It's like a constant series of pivots in no particular direction.

benevol 10y ago

> but he and his family won't be existentially affected by what's going to happen I'm pretty sure that he actually did think of his children.