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It gets harder everyday for me to justify consuming any type of animal product. I wish there wasn't so much distance between vegetarianism/veganism and mainstre
by nefitty 10y ago
It gets harder everyday for me to justify consuming any type of animal product. I wish there wasn't so much distance between vegetarianism/veganism and mainstream morality. I understand that hard line ethical stances are off-putting, especially when it comes to ingrained cultural behaviors like eating. I'm glad these types of articles and research are getting attention, though. Society benefits the more conscientious people become about their everyday choices.
- greglindahl 10y agoThe way to not be off-putting is to not proselytize.
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- rosser 10y agoIt's perfectly possible to be strictly veg*an and not be a dick. I just really wish I could convince some of my acquaintances of that. I'm currently eating meat on the instruction of multiple of my healthcare practitioners, but I was a strict vegetarian, and part-time vegan for years before that, and I never pissed anyone off by getting in their faces about their dietary choices. I would happily have a conversation with anyone who wanted about my choices and why I'd made them (primarily ecological, secondarily ethical), but I would always explain things as being a matter of me choosing how I wanted to live my life. My choices were never offered as normative, and although I don't think I changed any minds, I also never lost any friends.
- tw04 10y agoA lion wouldn't struggle with eating you if given the option, why would you waste time returning the favor? I get making a concerted effort to make sure animals don't suffer in the process of becoming food as much as humanly possible, but refusing to eat other animals when you're an apex predator is... silly. For starters, you may quickly find yourself no longer apex. Do you enjoy spending time outdoors without fearing for your life?
- rosser 10y agoLions don't have prefrontal cortices. Humans aren't obligate carnivores. Yes, we're omnivores, but we have a choice to engage more ethically with the animals we choose to put on our plates. To point to animals that have to kill other animals or they will die as normative for our behavior is fatuously specious.
- greglindahl 10y agoA good example of how to be off-putting.
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- vacri 10y agoHumans generally don't eat apex predators. Herbivores and omnivores are our preferred dietary targets. And given how much we've made our stamp on the world, the idea that we'd lose 'apex predator' status is nonsensical.
- Udik 10y agoThe essence of modern ethics is not to do to others what they'd do to you - it's not doing to others what you wouldn't want to be done to you. Unfortunately, I see this kind of reasoning applied often also to relations among peoples: "in their country they wouldn't allow you to, so ..." and even "if it were for them, they'd kill us, so...". This is wrong.
- pygy_ 10y agoNext up we'll find that in their own way we can't relate to, plants and even single cells are conscious too. Nihilarianism is the only choice we can justify ethically. Alternatively, what Raed667 said (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11943656 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11943656)...