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> He said that a judge of Mexican descent isn't treating him fairly, and that it is probably because of his heritage. The judge is an _American_ of Mexican eth

> He said that a judge of Mexican descent isn't treating him fairly, and that it is probably because of his heritage. The judge is an _American_ of Mexican ethnicity. Trump said that the judge gave unfair rulings because of the judge's ethnicity. Trump is advocating that ethnicity "trumps" citizenship, judicial duty, or any other personal and professional virtues. As Paul Ryan correctly noted this kind of essentialism is textbook racism. Or put another way. Were the rulings so egregious that a white judge, or a black judge, or an asian judge would rule differently? Aside from the judge's ethnicity what has he said or done in the past to imply any bias against Trump? If Trump truly believes the judge has a strong bias why hasn't he instructed his lawyers to for a motion of recusal, or a change of venue, or any other legal remedy? > And where was the condemnation of the Obama admin when they tried to prohibit an Iranian-American judge from presiding over Iranian immigration cases? It was wrong for the Justice Dept to do this. But the Obama admin being wrong doesn't make Trump more right. Both can be wrong. BTW, the Obama DOJ recognized its error, reversed course, and settled with the Iranian-American judge: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/11/03/454394225/government-settles-lawsuit-filed-by-iranian-american-judge http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/11/03/454394225/...

hubert123 10y ago
When a judge joins a group called LaRaza "the race", a violent mexican affiliated group that burns american flags and wants to return California to Mexico then maybe, just maybe race does have something to do with the ideas that this judge espouses and hence why that judge's race SEEMINGLY influences his decisions. Surely not even you think that Trump is an actual racist, as in: he thinks mexicans are worth less as human beings purely for being mexican. No, you just want to point out how he said things the "wrong" way. Well that incidentally is political correctness which is the very thing people are fed up with.
- sobellian 10y ago
  You are mixing up the National Council of La Raza (a political group) with the La Raza Lawyer's Association (a professional association).
- smsm42 10y ago
  FYI "the race" is not the only meaning of "la raza" (surprise, word can have several meaning) and not the one meant in "La Raza". And the group is not called "La Raza" either. It is called San Diego La Raza Bar Association.
- mikeyouse 10y ago
  Believe it or not, unaffiliated groups can have similar names. The Judge is a member of California La Raza Lawyers Association which is entirely different and shares no common cause with the National Council of La Raza. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/06/07/trump-supporters-false-claim-that-trump-u-judge-is-a-member-of-a-pro-immigrant-group/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/06/...
  - tatrajim 10y ago
    Concerning the California La Raza Lawyer's Association (Judge Curiel belongs to the San Diego branch) and inflammatory comments by its founder: http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/06/09/whites-go-back-europe-california-hispanic-state-said-founder-judge-curiels-group/ http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/06/09/whites-go-back-eur... Note that the California La Raza Lawyer's Association explicitly links to the Nationsl Council of La Raza (scroll to the bottom): http://larazalawyers.net/id3.html http://larazalawyers.net/id3.html And note this 2002 NYT article mentioning Judge Curiel when he was a federal prosecutor and how much he valued his ethnic and linguistic ties to Mexico. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/26/world/new-web-of-trust-topples-a-mighty-mexican-cartel.html?pagewanted=all http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/26/world/new-web-of-trust-top... Concerning the 2014 San Diego La Raza Scholarship Fund and Judge Curiel's participation on the selection committee that awarded a scholarship to Ricardo Elorza, self-described as "a boy from Oaxaca, who did not know English and is "undocumented" http://sdlrla.com/scholarship/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/La-Raza-Dinnner-Program-2014-FINAL http://sdlrla.com/scholarship/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/La-...
- leepowers 10y ago
  There's no indication that judge's race has influenced his decisions. Again, if the judge was white, black, asian, or cuban, would the rulings be any different? I think not, the judge's rulings (sending the case to a jury, unsealing documents of a significant public figure, delaying the trial until after the election, continuing a class action after one plaintiff leaves) are all reasonable legal decisions. > Surely not even you think that Trump is an actual racist, as in: he thinks mexicans are worth less as human beings purely for being mexican. He's never said anything like that so I don't think he's a frothing at the mouth racist. Based on his public statements I'd say he's a mild racist who holds some old-school prejudicial attitudes on race and gender. His attitudes were fairly normal fifty years ago. By the same token judge Curiel has not said anything racist or prejudicial against white people in general, or against Trump in particular. He's a judge, and judges put aside their political views and apply the law fairly. They do this all the time. So it would be a stretch to say he has an anger boner against Trump. > No, you just want to point out how he said things the "wrong" way. Well that incidentally is political correctness which is the very thing people are fed up with. I agree that PC reactions to perceived racism/sexism/islamophobia can go overboard and obscure the truth. Such as the Sam Harris vs Ben Affleck incident. The problem in this case Trump is basically saying "this guy hates me because he's mexican". There's no "right" way to say this. There's no deeper truth being unearthed. The judge made rulings against Trump, and Trump unloaded against the guy. This is Trump trying to save face and settle a personal score.
- justjico 10y ago
  Also worth noting that for latinos, particularly mexicans, La Raza, is a term associated to an intellectual movement started with an essay named "La Raza cosmica" or the cosmic race. The purpose of the essay was to promote opposing views to then growing Nazi superiority ideas. It's basically the antithesis of racism, portraying a future where humanity tracends current notions of nationallity and race for a common destiny. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Raza_Cósmica https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Raza_Cósmica

hubert123 10y ago

When a judge joins a group called LaRaza "the race", a violent mexican affiliated group that burns american flags and wants to return California to Mexico then maybe, just maybe race does have something to do with the ideas that this judge espouses and hence why that judge's race SEEMINGLY influences his decisions. Surely not even you think that Trump is an actual racist, as in: he thinks mexicans are worth less as human beings purely for being mexican. No, you just want to point out how he said things the "wrong" way. Well that incidentally is political correctness which is the very thing people are fed up with.

sobellian 10y ago
You are mixing up the National Council of La Raza (a political group) with the La Raza Lawyer's Association (a professional association).
smsm42 10y ago
FYI "the race" is not the only meaning of "la raza" (surprise, word can have several meaning) and not the one meant in "La Raza". And the group is not called "La Raza" either. It is called San Diego La Raza Bar Association.
mikeyouse 10y ago
Believe it or not, unaffiliated groups can have similar names. The Judge is a member of California La Raza Lawyers Association which is entirely different and shares no common cause with the National Council of La Raza. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/06/07/trump-supporters-false-claim-that-trump-u-judge-is-a-member-of-a-pro-immigrant-group/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/06/...
- tatrajim 10y ago
  Concerning the California La Raza Lawyer's Association (Judge Curiel belongs to the San Diego branch) and inflammatory comments by its founder: http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/06/09/whites-go-back-europe-california-hispanic-state-said-founder-judge-curiels-group/ http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/06/09/whites-go-back-eur... Note that the California La Raza Lawyer's Association explicitly links to the Nationsl Council of La Raza (scroll to the bottom): http://larazalawyers.net/id3.html http://larazalawyers.net/id3.html And note this 2002 NYT article mentioning Judge Curiel when he was a federal prosecutor and how much he valued his ethnic and linguistic ties to Mexico. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/26/world/new-web-of-trust-topples-a-mighty-mexican-cartel.html?pagewanted=all http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/26/world/new-web-of-trust-top... Concerning the 2014 San Diego La Raza Scholarship Fund and Judge Curiel's participation on the selection committee that awarded a scholarship to Ricardo Elorza, self-described as "a boy from Oaxaca, who did not know English and is "undocumented" http://sdlrla.com/scholarship/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/La-Raza-Dinnner-Program-2014-FINAL http://sdlrla.com/scholarship/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/La-...
leepowers 10y ago
There's no indication that judge's race has influenced his decisions. Again, if the judge was white, black, asian, or cuban, would the rulings be any different? I think not, the judge's rulings (sending the case to a jury, unsealing documents of a significant public figure, delaying the trial until after the election, continuing a class action after one plaintiff leaves) are all reasonable legal decisions. > Surely not even you think that Trump is an actual racist, as in: he thinks mexicans are worth less as human beings purely for being mexican. He's never said anything like that so I don't think he's a frothing at the mouth racist. Based on his public statements I'd say he's a mild racist who holds some old-school prejudicial attitudes on race and gender. His attitudes were fairly normal fifty years ago. By the same token judge Curiel has not said anything racist or prejudicial against white people in general, or against Trump in particular. He's a judge, and judges put aside their political views and apply the law fairly. They do this all the time. So it would be a stretch to say he has an anger boner against Trump. > No, you just want to point out how he said things the "wrong" way. Well that incidentally is political correctness which is the very thing people are fed up with. I agree that PC reactions to perceived racism/sexism/islamophobia can go overboard and obscure the truth. Such as the Sam Harris vs Ben Affleck incident. The problem in this case Trump is basically saying "this guy hates me because he's mexican". There's no "right" way to say this. There's no deeper truth being unearthed. The judge made rulings against Trump, and Trump unloaded against the guy. This is Trump trying to save face and settle a personal score.
justjico 10y ago
Also worth noting that for latinos, particularly mexicans, La Raza, is a term associated to an intellectual movement started with an essay named "La Raza cosmica" or the cosmic race. The purpose of the essay was to promote opposing views to then growing Nazi superiority ideas. It's basically the antithesis of racism, portraying a future where humanity tracends current notions of nationallity and race for a common destiny. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Raza_Cósmica https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Raza_Cósmica