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Just like they promised to open source FaceTime and iMessages? Apple has a history of making false promises in regards to open sourcing products.

macintux 10y ago
I don't recall any promises around iMessage, and FaceTime fell victim to patents.
wrigby 10y ago
My understanding was that FaceTime and iMessage weren't open sourced because of issues related to a patent troll (VirnetX IIRC). I'd be interested in hearing from others that are more familiar with the situation.
- MBCook 10y ago
  Not only that, but apparently Steve Jobs decided to just say that on stage and while it had been discussed a bit it wasn't the plan and came as a total shock to the people involved.
- pluckytree 10y ago
  Or perhaps concern with having to deal with 3rd party iMessage/Facetime clients while at the same time trying to maintain a high level of security. Apple doesn’t want anything to tarnish the security reputation of these products.
Jerry2 10y ago
> FaceTime They got sued heavily for it. They had to completely change the implementation and it became a non-P2P video chat.
qmr 10y ago
Not sure why you're being downvoted. Too many fanboys I guess. I would hope the community is more enlightened than that.
- matthewmacleod 10y ago
  Because it's just kind of lazy and incorrect, that's why. Apple did promise to open FaceTime, and was promptly sued – that's why it's not open. AFAIK there was no promise to open iMessage.
  - zingplex 10y ago
    My apologies for the unwarranted cynicism, I was not aware.
djrogers 10y ago
> Apple has a history of making false promises in regards to open sourcing products No, not true at all. iMessage was never promised, mentioned, or even hinted at being open source. Also, on the FaceTime from they said that the underlying protocols would be submitted to standards bodies as an open standard - that's a completely different things from open source. And the reasons that Apple didn't wind up doing that are well known (lawsuit from patent trolls). Sounds like you have an axe to grind or only listen to people who do...

macintux 10y ago

I don't recall any promises around iMessage, and FaceTime fell victim to patents.

wrigby 10y ago

My understanding was that FaceTime and iMessage weren't open sourced because of issues related to a patent troll (VirnetX IIRC). I'd be interested in hearing from others that are more familiar with the situation.

MBCook 10y ago
Not only that, but apparently Steve Jobs decided to just say that on stage and while it had been discussed a bit it wasn't the plan and came as a total shock to the people involved.
pluckytree 10y ago
Or perhaps concern with having to deal with 3rd party iMessage/Facetime clients while at the same time trying to maintain a high level of security. Apple doesn’t want anything to tarnish the security reputation of these products.

Jerry2 10y ago

> FaceTime They got sued heavily for it. They had to completely change the implementation and it became a non-P2P video chat.

qmr 10y ago

Not sure why you're being downvoted. Too many fanboys I guess. I would hope the community is more enlightened than that.

matthewmacleod 10y ago
Because it's just kind of lazy and incorrect, that's why. Apple did promise to open FaceTime, and was promptly sued – that's why it's not open. AFAIK there was no promise to open iMessage.
- zingplex 10y ago
  My apologies for the unwarranted cynicism, I was not aware.

djrogers 10y ago

> Apple has a history of making false promises in regards to open sourcing products No, not true at all. iMessage was never promised, mentioned, or even hinted at being open source. Also, on the FaceTime from they said that the underlying protocols would be submitted to standards bodies as an open standard - that's a completely different things from open source. And the reasons that Apple didn't wind up doing that are well known (lawsuit from patent trolls). Sounds like you have an axe to grind or only listen to people who do...