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Pre-operational transsexual people and transgendered people who decide against surgery but live as a gender different from their birth one anyway are two edge c

by hx87 10y ago

Pre-operational transsexual people and transgendered people who decide against surgery but live as a gender different from their birth one anyway are two edge cases where genitalia are a poor indicator of what their legal status should be. As for intersex people, how does the blurring (aka "denial") of sexual dimorphism diminish progress towards recognition and improving quality of life for them? If co-option does not detract from their lives and their struggles, what is the problem with co-option? Equality is not a zero-sum game, except maybe for those who discriminate.

nostrebored 10y ago
I fail to see how when for all intents and purposes when they are men who adopt the social construct of femininity how their legal status is in any way poorly indicated. Intersex people are still sexually dimorphic. Genitalia is one of a number of ways that someone's sex is determined. Viewing them as the sole way is a mistake, sure there are things like AIS, but even in the case of intersex people, their genitalia and secondary sexual characteristics typically develop in a normal fashion. Co-option does typically detract from their struggles. By using intersex people as a tool to push a political agenda you detract from the serious issues that surround their legal and medical troubles. You can't pretend that the actions you take while pursuing a political agenda don't have positive or negative consequences. When equality in the case that you're advocating for comes at the cost of the groups you're purporting to help, or the groups that you use as part of your political narrative, then something is probably wrong.
- Avshalom 10y ago
  "Viewing them as the sole way is a mistake" ! ! So you completely agree with us.
- ubernostrum 10y ago
  I'm still waiting to hear what part of the legal system requires specific genitalia to operate, since that's the only reason I can think of for needing legal documentation to care about what genitals someone has.

by hx87 10y ago

nostrebored 10y ago

I fail to see how when for all intents and purposes when they are men who adopt the social construct of femininity how their legal status is in any way poorly indicated. Intersex people are still sexually dimorphic. Genitalia is one of a number of ways that someone's sex is determined. Viewing them as the sole way is a mistake, sure there are things like AIS, but even in the case of intersex people, their genitalia and secondary sexual characteristics typically develop in a normal fashion. Co-option does typically detract from their struggles. By using intersex people as a tool to push a political agenda you detract from the serious issues that surround their legal and medical troubles. You can't pretend that the actions you take while pursuing a political agenda don't have positive or negative consequences. When equality in the case that you're advocating for comes at the cost of the groups you're purporting to help, or the groups that you use as part of your political narrative, then something is probably wrong.

Avshalom 10y ago
"Viewing them as the sole way is a mistake" ! ! So you completely agree with us.
ubernostrum 10y ago
I'm still waiting to hear what part of the legal system requires specific genitalia to operate, since that's the only reason I can think of for needing legal documentation to care about what genitals someone has.