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>Actually looking forward to MS's UX folk cleaning up LinkedIn. This. This the only reason im excited about the acquisition. LinkedIn UX is awful. What makes

>Actually looking forward to MS's UX folk cleaning up LinkedIn. This. This the only reason im excited about the acquisition. LinkedIn UX is awful. What makes me nervous though, is some things could get worse. (skype has gone downhill ever since the acquisition i feel).

Bartweiss 10y ago
If we're truly lucky, they'll get their security folks to take a look at LinkedIn as well.
lucb1e 10y ago
> This. This the only reason im excited about the acquisition. LinkedIn UX is awful. Yeah well they acquired Skype and see what a mess that became. Even Windows itself sometimes... I suppose it depends on which team gets the job?
- knodi123 10y ago
  > I suppose it depends on which team gets the job? I bet! The number of people in here that think a company with >118,000 employees is always going to make the same tech and design decisions is baffling.
  - marcosdumay 10y ago
    That's because many decisions are caused by the environment, not the people. In the meaning that it's still the people doing them, but everybody on the same environment tend to choose similar things, and when in another environment, those same people tend to choose different things. This is actually documented on management literature, with empirical studies and quantitative results.
    - dyim 10y ago
      That's a great point - though I bet there are many microclimates within Microsoft :) Would love to read some of these management studies; it sounds intuitive but (as always) it's much easier to grok the bigger picture with concrete examples. Can you point me to some of the literature?
      - marcosdumay 10y ago
        I don't remember most, but Peopleware has an interesting example. About the microclimates, looks to me that how much of the environment is dictated by the top itself is one of those decisions affected by the environment. No idea how Microsoft is structured.
  - dave2000 10y ago
    Microsoft doesn't have that many products that they can't get someone 1) high enough up the tree that people will listen to their comments and 2) with ui experience/common sense to check them prior to any acquisition/major change and make sure it doesn't suck.
- rqebmm 10y ago
  Agreed. The LinkedIn UX is awful, but I'm not sure Microsoft are the people I'd want to address a UX issue.
smpetrey 10y ago
Skype could definitely use some more love from the Product Dept. Perhaps we'll see an integration with LinkedIn? I mean most of my interviews from LinkedIn end up in Skype anyways.
franciscop 10y ago
I used to have a normal Skype in Linux. Then migrated to live: type of account (AKA Outlook). Now I cannot even access my Skype anymore because the outlook/skype don't sync properly. I'm slowly migrating away from any Microsoft product. Luckily I closed my Linkedin account a while back. This is my new Linkedin: http://francisco.io/ http://francisco.io/ (my own website).
- JorgeGT 10y ago
  Hello there fellow UPVer! You might want to update your links since http://spacehelmet.info/ http://spacehelmet.info/ is down.
  - franciscop 10y ago
    Hi there! Yeah I should review it, a bunch of projects are old-ish
- lovich 10y ago
  Your rich text editor demo is leading to a 404'd page http://francisco.io/editor http://francisco.io/editor. Your site is very nice btw
  - Sgt_Apone 10y ago
    For what its worth, the Spacehelmet button that points to http://spacehelmet.info http://spacehelmet.info also 404's. Otherwise a neat portfolio site.
- snikeris 10y ago
  Random feedback: I spent a few seconds clicking around the arrow before scrolling down.
MzHN 10y ago
Skype has gone downhill ever since their first acquisition, and they've been acquired at least three times already. If anything, MS is starting to slowly take it to a better direction, even though it is nowhere near the ideology of the original Skype. I believe that LinkedIn will end up being a similar case, where it will continue to suck, but you'll see some slow progress eventually. EDIT: As pointed out, LinkedIn will likely continue operating independently, as did Skype, which explains the slow progress.
- unusximmortalis 10y ago
  it is true the skype has some issues since MS acquired them, and there were some changes/decision made on it which I disliked, however, it is performing better lately. hopefully it will turn around.
- torgeek 10y ago
  didnt microsoft remove the p2p functionality and made skype highly centralized?
  - Karunamon 10y ago
    Yes, but speaking from experience, that change resulted in a huge improvement in call quality. The P2P architecture is nice but leaves you at the mercy of your nearest node's internet connection and usage.
    - wslh 10y ago
      Not my experience. Having network issues all the time.
  - bayofpigs 10y ago
    Yes.. very important to allow monitoring of calls.
  - wwice 10y ago
    They did so because it was hard to do P2P for Skype on phones.
serg_chernata 10y ago
Supposedly, they also said that LinkedIn will continue to operate independently.
bduerst 10y ago
I just hope they don't somehow move the linkedin blast-email invite button to Windows 10.
vadym909 10y ago
I have no idea when people say Linkedin UI is awful. To me it is better looking, arranged and pleasing to look at than 99% of similar tools. (Monster, Glassdoor, Indeed, facebook) On the other hand, I absolutely hate Microsoft's UI on everything from their Flat Design, Xbox Menu, (everything except Office)
- manigandham 10y ago
  UX > UI. It might be pleasing to look at but it's quite horrible to use.
  - vadym909 10y ago
    OK- Granted their UX sucks, if you use it for other than looking up people. I always suspected that may partly be intentional to prevent people and bots digging too much, scraping, misusing and using it for spam
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  Interface is more than just appearance.
Taylor_OD 10y ago
They have actually put a very serious effort into making the UI and UX a lot better over the last 6 months. It's still not great but they have a usable mobile app and chat feature now.
twoarrays 10y ago
What makes you think MSFT will change that? It's not like it is AAPL on UX. Plus, LinkedIn UX is awful because it's largely an enterprise product. I don't see that abruptly changing anytime soon.
clapinton 10y ago
Totally agree on the UX. Example: 99.8% of the openings I've seen on their job board in the past 4 months all redirect to an outside board, usually Indeed. Actually, I only remember finishing an application inside LI once, which begs the question: why aren't companies posting their jobs inside LI? It almost looks like they scrape posts from Indeed. Besides, one of the Premium features is "Featured Applicant: Move to the top of recruiters' applicant lists", which is basically worthless if no one actually applies through LI. There are many holes in LI's UX which I'm hoping will get fixed after the purchase is complete. I just hope it doesn't break as Skype did (you're not the only one to feel that). Even though it's Microsoft, it's not Ballmer's MSFT anymore, so I'm hopeful. And if it does, there'll be a big gap for some other company to fill.

Bartweiss 10y ago

If we're truly lucky, they'll get their security folks to take a look at LinkedIn as well.

lucb1e 10y ago

> This. This the only reason im excited about the acquisition. LinkedIn UX is awful. Yeah well they acquired Skype and see what a mess that became. Even Windows itself sometimes... I suppose it depends on which team gets the job?

knodi123 10y ago
> I suppose it depends on which team gets the job? I bet! The number of people in here that think a company with >118,000 employees is always going to make the same tech and design decisions is baffling.
- marcosdumay 10y ago
  That's because many decisions are caused by the environment, not the people. In the meaning that it's still the people doing them, but everybody on the same environment tend to choose similar things, and when in another environment, those same people tend to choose different things. This is actually documented on management literature, with empirical studies and quantitative results.
  - dyim 10y ago
    That's a great point - though I bet there are many microclimates within Microsoft :) Would love to read some of these management studies; it sounds intuitive but (as always) it's much easier to grok the bigger picture with concrete examples. Can you point me to some of the literature?
    - marcosdumay 10y ago
      I don't remember most, but Peopleware has an interesting example. About the microclimates, looks to me that how much of the environment is dictated by the top itself is one of those decisions affected by the environment. No idea how Microsoft is structured.
- dave2000 10y ago
  Microsoft doesn't have that many products that they can't get someone 1) high enough up the tree that people will listen to their comments and 2) with ui experience/common sense to check them prior to any acquisition/major change and make sure it doesn't suck.
rqebmm 10y ago
Agreed. The LinkedIn UX is awful, but I'm not sure Microsoft are the people I'd want to address a UX issue.

smpetrey 10y ago

Skype could definitely use some more love from the Product Dept. Perhaps we'll see an integration with LinkedIn? I mean most of my interviews from LinkedIn end up in Skype anyways.

franciscop 10y ago

I used to have a normal Skype in Linux. Then migrated to live: type of account (AKA Outlook). Now I cannot even access my Skype anymore because the outlook/skype don't sync properly. I'm slowly migrating away from any Microsoft product. Luckily I closed my Linkedin account a while back. This is my new Linkedin: http://francisco.io/ http://francisco.io/ (my own website).

JorgeGT 10y ago
Hello there fellow UPVer! You might want to update your links since http://spacehelmet.info/ http://spacehelmet.info/ is down.
- franciscop 10y ago
  Hi there! Yeah I should review it, a bunch of projects are old-ish
lovich 10y ago
Your rich text editor demo is leading to a 404'd page http://francisco.io/editor http://francisco.io/editor. Your site is very nice btw
- Sgt_Apone 10y ago
  For what its worth, the Spacehelmet button that points to http://spacehelmet.info http://spacehelmet.info also 404's. Otherwise a neat portfolio site.
snikeris 10y ago
Random feedback: I spent a few seconds clicking around the arrow before scrolling down.

MzHN 10y ago

Skype has gone downhill ever since their first acquisition, and they've been acquired at least three times already. If anything, MS is starting to slowly take it to a better direction, even though it is nowhere near the ideology of the original Skype. I believe that LinkedIn will end up being a similar case, where it will continue to suck, but you'll see some slow progress eventually. EDIT: As pointed out, LinkedIn will likely continue operating independently, as did Skype, which explains the slow progress.

unusximmortalis 10y ago
it is true the skype has some issues since MS acquired them, and there were some changes/decision made on it which I disliked, however, it is performing better lately. hopefully it will turn around.
torgeek 10y ago
didnt microsoft remove the p2p functionality and made skype highly centralized?
- Karunamon 10y ago
  Yes, but speaking from experience, that change resulted in a huge improvement in call quality. The P2P architecture is nice but leaves you at the mercy of your nearest node's internet connection and usage.
  - wslh 10y ago
    Not my experience. Having network issues all the time.
- bayofpigs 10y ago
  Yes.. very important to allow monitoring of calls.
- wwice 10y ago
  They did so because it was hard to do P2P for Skype on phones.

serg_chernata 10y ago

Supposedly, they also said that LinkedIn will continue to operate independently.

bduerst 10y ago

I just hope they don't somehow move the linkedin blast-email invite button to Windows 10.

vadym909 10y ago

I have no idea when people say Linkedin UI is awful. To me it is better looking, arranged and pleasing to look at than 99% of similar tools. (Monster, Glassdoor, Indeed, facebook) On the other hand, I absolutely hate Microsoft's UI on everything from their Flat Design, Xbox Menu, (everything except Office)

manigandham 10y ago
UX > UI. It might be pleasing to look at but it's quite horrible to use.
- vadym909 10y ago
  OK- Granted their UX sucks, if you use it for other than looking up people. I always suspected that may partly be intentional to prevent people and bots digging too much, scraping, misusing and using it for spam
dragonwriter 10y ago
Interface is more than just appearance.

Taylor_OD 10y ago

They have actually put a very serious effort into making the UI and UX a lot better over the last 6 months. It's still not great but they have a usable mobile app and chat feature now.

twoarrays 10y ago

What makes you think MSFT will change that? It's not like it is AAPL on UX. Plus, LinkedIn UX is awful because it's largely an enterprise product. I don't see that abruptly changing anytime soon.

clapinton 10y ago

Totally agree on the UX. Example: 99.8% of the openings I've seen on their job board in the past 4 months all redirect to an outside board, usually Indeed. Actually, I only remember finishing an application inside LI once, which begs the question: why aren't companies posting their jobs inside LI? It almost looks like they scrape posts from Indeed. Besides, one of the Premium features is "Featured Applicant: Move to the top of recruiters' applicant lists", which is basically worthless if no one actually applies through LI. There are many holes in LI's UX which I'm hoping will get fixed after the purchase is complete. I just hope it doesn't break as Skype did (you're not the only one to feel that). Even though it's Microsoft, it's not Ballmer's MSFT anymore, so I'm hopeful. And if it does, there'll be a big gap for some other company to fill.