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Mirror for those who can't/won't use Facebook: I have been advocating this for many years, but the case gets stronger all the time. Once more unto the breach.
by Retr0spectrum 10y ago
Mirror for those who can't/won't use Facebook:
I have been advocating this for many years, but the case gets stronger all the time. Once more unto the breach.
GPUs should be able to have buffer and texture resources directly backed by memory mapped files. Everyone has functional faulting in the GPUs now, right? We just need extensions and OS work.
On startup, applications would read-only mmap their entire asset file and issue a bunch of glBufferMappedDataEXT() / glTexMappedImage2DEXT() or Vulkan equivalent extension calls. Ten seconds of resource loading and creation becomes ten milliseconds.
Splash screens and loading bars vanish. Everything is just THERE.
You could switch through a dozen rich media application with a gig of resources each, and come back to the first one without finding that it had been terminated to clear space for the others – read only memory mapped files are easy for the OS to purge and reload without input from the applications. This is Metaverse plumbing.
Not that many people give a damn, but asset loading code is a scary attack surface from a security standpoint, and resource management has always been a rich source of bugs.
It will save power. Hopefully these are the magic words. Lots of data gets loaded and never used, and many applications get terminated unnecessarily to clear up GPU memory, forcing them to be reloaded from scratch.
There are many schemes for avoiding the hard stop of a page fault by using a lower detail version of a texture and so on, but it always gets complicated and requires shader changes. I’m suggesting a complete hard stop and wait. GPU designers usually throw up their hands at this point and stop considering it, but this is a big system level win, even if it winds up making some frames run slower on the GPU.
You can actually handle quite a few page faults to an SSD while still holding 60 fps, and you could still manually pre-touch media to guarantee residence, but I suspect it largely won’t be necessary. There might also be little tweaks to be done, like boosting the GPU clock frequency for the remainder of the frame after a page fault, or maybe even the following frame for non-VR applications that triple buffer.
I imagine an initial implementation of GPU faulting to SSD would be an ugly multi-process communication mess with lots of inefficiency, but the lower limits set by the hardware are pretty exciting, and some storage technologies are evolving in directions that can have extremely low block read latencies.
Unity and Unreal could take advantage of this almost completely under the hood, making it a broadly usable feature. Asset metadata would be out of line, so the mapped data could be loaded conventionally if necessary on unsupported hardware.
A common objection is that there are lots of different tiling / swizzling layouts for uncompressed texture formats, but this could be restricted to just ASTC textures if necessary. I’m a little hesitant to suggest it, but drivers could also reformat texture data after a page fault to optimize a layout, as long as it can be done at something close to the read speed. Specifying a generously large texture tile size / page fault size would give a lot of freedom. Mip map layout is certainly an issue, but we can work it out.
There may be scheduling challenges for high priority tasks like Async Time Warp if a single unit of work can create dozens of page faults. It might be necessary to abort and later re-run a tile / bin that has suffered many page faults if a high priority job needs to run Right Now.
Come on, lets make this happen! Who is going to be the leader? I would love it to happen in the Samsung/Qualcomm Android space so Gear VR could immediately benefit, but it would probably be easiest for Apple to do it, and I would be just fine with that if everyone else chased them in a panic.
- nowprovision 10y agoThanks. I hope this is a one off, if faceache becomes the article platform for techie material I may just change industries.
- idunno246 10y agoi imagine its only because he works at facebook
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