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I don't think so. A = fired employees. B = unpleasant players. B is contained within A, so B implies A ("Toxic players tended to be toxic employees") but not

I don't think so. A = fired employees. B = unpleasant players. B is contained within A, so B implies A ("Toxic players tended to be toxic employees") but not the reverse.

frankmcsherry 10y ago
We only have that P[B|A] = 1/4; we don't know anything about P[A|B] without more info. It could totally be that all non-fired employees are toxic, and viciously went after their weaker colleagues by having them fired! I guess that would make them toxic, but whatever.
- Dylan16807 10y ago
  And to make it even more complex, we have no idea what portion of the fired employees were toxic. You can be fired for a lot of reasons.
- jessriedel 10y ago
  I was just demonstrating that there was a consistent interpretation of the quote from the article.
x1798DE 10y ago
Though that seems to be how the sentence is actually parsed, it seems odd that that would be true. That indicates that every toxic player worked there, and some of the horrible people who worked there were actually not horrible in the context of the game.
- evan_ 10y ago
  I think what it's trying to convey is that when an employee was a toxic gamer, they were also a toxic employee.
  - x1798DE 10y ago
    Yes, that's what it would seem like, because that makes sense, but what it actually says is the exact opposite of that - if you're a toxic player, you're also a toxic employee, but if you're a toxic employee, you're not necessarily a toxic player. Seems wrong.
    - blakeyrat 10y ago
      How so? Maybe Ted for fired for sexual harassment of a co-worker. Maybe he worked for HR and rarely, if ever, played LoL in the first place. He'd be fired as a toxic employee without anything in his LoL chat log to hint at it. What they're saying is that if you have a toxic LoL chat log, you're likely to be a Ted. But the reverse isn't true: you can have a pristine chat log, and still be a Ted.

I don't think so. A = fired employees. B = unpleasant players. B is contained within A, so B implies A ("Toxic players tended to be toxic employees") but not the reverse.

frankmcsherry 10y ago

We only have that P[B|A] = 1/4; we don't know anything about P[A|B] without more info. It could totally be that all non-fired employees are toxic, and viciously went after their weaker colleagues by having them fired! I guess that would make them toxic, but whatever.

Dylan16807 10y ago
And to make it even more complex, we have no idea what portion of the fired employees were toxic. You can be fired for a lot of reasons.
jessriedel 10y ago
I was just demonstrating that there was a consistent interpretation of the quote from the article.

x1798DE 10y ago

Though that seems to be how the sentence is actually parsed, it seems odd that that would be true. That indicates that every toxic player worked there, and some of the horrible people who worked there were actually not horrible in the context of the game.

evan_ 10y ago
I think what it's trying to convey is that when an employee was a toxic gamer, they were also a toxic employee.
- x1798DE 10y ago
  Yes, that's what it would seem like, because that makes sense, but what it actually says is the exact opposite of that - if you're a toxic player, you're also a toxic employee, but if you're a toxic employee, you're not necessarily a toxic player. Seems wrong.
  - blakeyrat 10y ago
    How so? Maybe Ted for fired for sexual harassment of a co-worker. Maybe he worked for HR and rarely, if ever, played LoL in the first place. He'd be fired as a toxic employee without anything in his LoL chat log to hint at it. What they're saying is that if you have a toxic LoL chat log, you're likely to be a Ted. But the reverse isn't true: you can have a pristine chat log, and still be a Ted.